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How many schools actually matter?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:51 am
Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:51 am
I think once we find that number, then we'll move to basically 2 major divisions. The SEC and everyone else. No chance of four 16 team conferences. There aren't 64 teams good enough. Plus the SEC is already too stacked to be even with any other 16 teams conference on equal footing.
The SEC will grow to 16 for now, but I wouldn't be shocked to 4 to 8 more very soon.
That is basically going to force the Big Ten, Pac, & what's left of the ACC (I think that is where the SEC looks next) to form an axis of conferences to counter the SEC.
Once we get to that point, at 40 or 48 total teams, The SEC and Axis will break up into 5-6 team conferences then hold their own playoffs and have the winners face off.
The SEC will grow to 16 for now, but I wouldn't be shocked to 4 to 8 more very soon.
That is basically going to force the Big Ten, Pac, & what's left of the ACC (I think that is where the SEC looks next) to form an axis of conferences to counter the SEC.
Once we get to that point, at 40 or 48 total teams, The SEC and Axis will break up into 5-6 team conferences then hold their own playoffs and have the winners face off.
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:54 am to Farmer1906
Would be nice to see a A, B and C league with 32 teams each. Relegation included. Switch out the bottom 4 or so every year. But that's science fiction. Will never happen. Only works in countries that are small geographically like the UK.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:57 am to Farmer1906
So you are talking about 5 or 6 conferences with a championship game and a playoff? Isn't that what we have now just with fewer teams?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:02 am to bulletprooftiger
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So you are talking about 5 or 6 conferences with a championship game and a playoff? Isn't that what we have now just with fewer teams?
What it will work out to be is 8 mini-conferences with 5 to 6 teams then an 8 team playoff.
The NCAA will be no more.
Edit: Or you do a 12 team playoff and structure it like the NFL (4 division winners, 2 WC, 2 teams with byes).
The SEC is one side of the bracket. The Axis is the other side.
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 9:04 am
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:02 am to Farmer1906
I think in the next 5 years, we end up with 3 conferences of 20 teams that play for their own national championship. Conference title games are thrown to the side and it is set up more on the playoff format of the NFL.
Just my thoughts.
Just my thoughts.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:07 am to Hawgeye
This would be interesting but it would be so far from what college football is even now, it would seem very alien.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:10 am to Farmer1906
It will be what we have now, but we’re cutting out the ncaa. We don’t need them. Why are we paying them money? That’s the point here. We get more money from ESPN this way. It just makes sense.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:11 am to Farmer1906
I think 4, 16- team conferences makes sense.
Split into two for regular season, both teams that make the conference championship are in the 8-team tourney.
Force Notre Dame and BYU to join a conference or STFU.
Split into two for regular season, both teams that make the conference championship are in the 8-team tourney.
Force Notre Dame and BYU to join a conference or STFU.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:15 am to Pvt Hudson
I would agree if they were balanced. But the SEC expanded too well. You can’t have 10 of the top 25 teams in one conference.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:19 am to Farmer1906
The fact that the sec is going after Clemson, osu, ou, Texas, and Michigan tells me they’re not going for two conferences. They want to be the sole conference. It won’t be long before they start going after west coast teams. If they already haven’t.
If they add Clemson OR osu, it’s over
If they add Clemson OR osu, it’s over
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 9:23 am
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:20 am to Farmer1906
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There aren't 64 teams good enough
This would mean competition is more important than money.
It isn't.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 9:51 am to Farmer1906
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There aren't 64 teams good enough.
There used to be. I think a lot of the issues we have in college football today have been self-inflicted by the NCAA's lack of action to keep the game competitive. Here are the current problems:
1. TOO MANY TEAMS
Why do we pretend that New Mexico State and Georgia State are on the same level as Alabama and Clemson? They are not. They have zero shot at even getting a chance to play for a National Title, so why do we continue to have a division of the sport that consists of 70% teams that have zero shot of playing for a title even if they were to go undefeated?
In a typical year, say there are 1,500 kids with enough talent to play major college football. Just go ahead and assume the Top 25 programs are going to fill out a full class of 25 kids from this group.... so the Top 625 kids or so are taken by the best programs. This leaves 875 kids left over for the rest of college football. When you spread these out between 130 programs, that means that programs #26 - #130 get an average of 8.3 of these Top 1500 players coming out of high school each year. If you reduced major college football down to just 72 teams, then programs #26 - #72 would be able to sign closer to 18 or 19 of the Top 1500 kids each year.
Reducing the number of Division 1 teams would drastically improve the talent gap between the Top 10 or 20 programs and the rest of the Power programs who aren't traditionally at the top.
2. END AUTOMATIC TRANSFER RULES
The NCAA's new leniency towards transferring without sitting out a year is bad for the game. If Wake Forest signs a diamond-in-the-rough type of kid who hits a major growth spurt and 2 years later is good enough to play anywhere, what is to stop him from transferring to a better program? I think these new rules are bad for the game.
3. TOO MANY SCHOLARSHIPS
I think reducing scholarships from 85 down to 80 would also help spread the 4 and 5 star kids out a bit more.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 10:01 am to Farmer1906
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There aren't 64 teams good enough
Eh, this is a slippery slope. There are currently 64 teams in the power 5 conferences, plus you have Notre Dame and BYU sitting there. So that's 66. So now you would be talking about actually kicking out loyal members. I get that there are teams in these conferences that "don't belong". And it would seem easy to trim the fat and move on. But I don't see this happening. Kansas serves a purpose in basketball. Vandy serves a purpose academically. Kentucky in basketball. The Big 12 is gone, and maybe a couple of schools there don't find a home. Who gets left out? But it can work with 64.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 10:01 am to Farmer1906
I hope it stops at 16 teams, and the other major conferences (PAC, B1G, ACC) go to 16. Then just let the winners of each of those conferences in a 4-team playoff.
Posted on 7/27/21 at 10:10 am to abellsujr
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It will be what we have now, but we’re cutting out the ncaa. We don’t need them. Why are we paying them money?
Again, the NCAA does not make money with BCS football teams. The conferences make all of the money.
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The NCAA makes the bulk of its money from media payments, and that’s where it took the biggest hit. In 2019, it received $804 million from its TV agreements with CBS and Turner. In 2020, those payments were reduced to $113.1 million. (The NCAA has separate media deals with ESPN, which carries championships in other sports, plus the women’s basketball tournament).
That is from the NCAA basketball tourney. That is where the vast majority of their money comes from. With basketball, schools don't even pay for their hotel stays. The NCAA picks up the bill for that.
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The NCAA does not control the major college football conferences. It has no financial stake in college football’s postseason. It has no control over television deals.
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The great misconception in college sports is that the NCAA has the power and final say as a governing force in college sports. Well, it’s true in most sports, but not in the largest arena. The organization makes its hay in most other sports outside college football, particularly college basketball, where it owns and runs the greatest postseason tournament in the world (NCAA men’s basketball) and makes a boatload of cash in television deals for March Madness, but major college football is the outlier. Nearly 40 years ago the NCAA lost its controlling stake in College Football Inc., and in doing so lost power and interest in being a guiding hand for its major institutions, even during a health crisis.
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This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 10:12 am
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:26 am to MrAUTigers
Where do they get their money from? Who pays them?
ETA: so they make their money in basketball it seems. I wonder how all of this will affect that.
So taking the ncaa out of the equation, what this looks like is a play for the sec to have control over other conferences when it comes to tv money. Especially in football. Less hands in the jar.
It may effect basketball as well. Not sure how all that works but I imagine the more sec teams on tv the more they get? And if ESPN is in with the sec exclusively (its coming)for football, how long before that spills over into basketball? CBS runs that show for now. We’ll see.
ETA: so they make their money in basketball it seems. I wonder how all of this will affect that.
So taking the ncaa out of the equation, what this looks like is a play for the sec to have control over other conferences when it comes to tv money. Especially in football. Less hands in the jar.
It may effect basketball as well. Not sure how all that works but I imagine the more sec teams on tv the more they get? And if ESPN is in with the sec exclusively (its coming)for football, how long before that spills over into basketball? CBS runs that show for now. We’ll see.
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:42 am to BHMKyle
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The NCAA's new leniency towards transferring without sitting out a year is bad for the game.
Not if a coach can leave high and dry for a different program. Keytoan Thompson suffered because Mullen left and new coach came in with a different approach.
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If Wake Forest signs a diamond-in-the-rough type of kid who hits a major growth spurt and 2 years later is good enough to play anywhere, what is to stop him from transferring to a better program?
What if Bama has two 5star QB and one doesnt' get the playing time and he can go to somewhere like State and start immediately?
Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:46 pm to abellsujr
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ETA: so they make their money in basketball it seems. I wonder how all of this will affect that.
not at all.
The SEC will get a bump in the t.v. contract, and also have two more possibilities to make the Tourney, which would mean even more money for the conference, but the NCAA won't lose or gain a penny either way.
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:47 pm to Pulparindo
Would love a premiership style table.
Would be fun to troll a school that get regulated
Would be fun to troll a school that get regulated
Posted on 7/27/21 at 8:53 pm to Farmer1906
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