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Posted on 9/14/17 at 5:55 pm to jcolding41
The only people that got screwed by the much bally-hooed "Longhorn Network" was ESPN. The Longhorn Network belly-flopped and left ESPN shackled to a failure of an idea they should've known better to promote in the first place.
How has that screwed any other BIG XII teams, current or former?
How has that screwed any other BIG XII teams, current or former?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 5:58 pm to mizslu314
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give up, you'll never win with these guys. their head is so far up bevos a$$, its impossible to get through to them
There's nothing to "get through to us about". Mizzou didn't leave because of the Longhorn Network. Mizzou left to rattle their tin cups in somebody else's conference (B1G or SEC) who would offer them more moola while contributing nothing. And isn't that what has happened?
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 5:58 pm to jcolding41
You should know by now that it is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with ChatlotteSooner.
I'll answer your question. Any XII team can beat a SEC team in an OOC matchup or a bowl. (Such as KSU beating us last year, and I think we can all agree that we are a wreck right now.). Or TCU beating a very down Arkansas program. OU is probably the only school that could survive and do well right now in the SEC-W. tu is way down, Baylor is way down, ISU and KU are always pathetic, and OSU/KSU would be respectable. I have no idea about WVU because we were never in a league with them. The tu fan base is more delusional that you can fathom. They are arrogant and are condescending, even if you kick their arse.
OU's fan base is generally a little humble because they've been there before. I never really saw the bad side of the OU fans because we aren't a rival of theirs, and had virtually no history with them prior to the formation of the XII. CharlotteSooner is the a-hole of the bunch, and most aren't like that.
KSU fans are typical Yankees. They talk through their nose, and say "you guys" a lot. ISU fans are even more annoying. KU fans just don't take football seriously and you don't really run into them until basketball starts.
I'll answer your question. Any XII team can beat a SEC team in an OOC matchup or a bowl. (Such as KSU beating us last year, and I think we can all agree that we are a wreck right now.). Or TCU beating a very down Arkansas program. OU is probably the only school that could survive and do well right now in the SEC-W. tu is way down, Baylor is way down, ISU and KU are always pathetic, and OSU/KSU would be respectable. I have no idea about WVU because we were never in a league with them. The tu fan base is more delusional that you can fathom. They are arrogant and are condescending, even if you kick their arse.
OU's fan base is generally a little humble because they've been there before. I never really saw the bad side of the OU fans because we aren't a rival of theirs, and had virtually no history with them prior to the formation of the XII. CharlotteSooner is the a-hole of the bunch, and most aren't like that.
KSU fans are typical Yankees. They talk through their nose, and say "you guys" a lot. ISU fans are even more annoying. KU fans just don't take football seriously and you don't really run into them until basketball starts.
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:01 pm to Bubbles Up
What are you prattling about? I'm here having an intelligent conversation and I'm waiting for some SEC fans to show me how the Longhorn Network decimated our league and it's members, current or former. And nobody seems to be stepping to the plate with a cogent argument.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:05 pm to CharlotteSooner
Compare the accomplishments of all P5 conferences the past ten years. Every confrence trounces the B12 in things that matter and y'all don't have a confrence network. B12 is dead last in the hierarchy of the power 5.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:09 pm to jcolding41
Who cares about a "conference network"? That's just another stupid idea that will fail in the marketplace if it's not propped up with cable bundling.
Define the "things that matter" that the BIG XII is last in.
I still haven't read a cogent thought about the Big Bad Longhorn Network and how it's decimating our conference members. I'm waiting....
That's just another stupid idea that will fail in the marketplace if it's not propped up with cable bundling. Define the "things that matter" that the BIG XII is last in.
I still haven't read a cogent thought about the Big Bad Longhorn Network and how it's decimating our conference members. I'm waiting....
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:11 pm to CharlotteSooner
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BIG XII fans aren't "jealous of the SEC", nor have they ever been jealous of A&M for anything at all, much less your drama queen move to another conference in an attempt to gain legitimacy
Couldn't have provided a better example of a butthurt jealous fan if I tried.
This post was edited on 9/15/17 at 2:45 am
Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:12 pm to PhilipMarlowe
Jealous of what?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:14 pm to CharlotteSooner
quote:holy shite. It literally pushed out at least 3 conference members and has provided the instability that will be the downfall of the conference after 2025. You really think that's something any school in the big 12 outside of UT and OU wants?
I still haven't read a cogent thought about the Big Bad Longhorn Network and how it's decimating our conference members
Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:16 pm to CharlotteSooner
Big 12 sucksPosted on 9/14/17 at 6:24 pm to WestCoastAg
Nebraska didn't leave because of the Longhorn network, neither did Colorado or Mizzou. Their shitty Network hasn't destabilized anything. The exit of 4 members who were really just seeking a bigger payday and greater exposure from other league's TV contracts and monetary (re)distribution policies is what destabilized the league.
They all could've stuck around and created their own networks if that was really the issue, but they didn't did they?
The Longhorn Network has done precisely dick for Texas athletics. All it has accomplished is draining ESPN's checking account. That's a win/win IMO.
They all could've stuck around and created their own networks if that was really the issue, but they didn't did they?
The Longhorn Network has done precisely dick for Texas athletics. All it has accomplished is draining ESPN's checking account. That's a win/win IMO.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:27 pm to CharlotteSooner
Its not even worth talking about it with you
Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:34 pm to WestCoastAg
You left for money, not moral high-mindedness over the failed Longhorn Network, of which, you could've just created your own. Human nature is human nature. It's always about the money, and that's why all of you left.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:40 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Nebraska didn't leave because of the Longhorn network, neither did Colorado or Mizzou. Their shitty Network hasn't destabilized anything. The exit of 4 members who were really just seeking a bigger payday and greater exposure from other league's TV contracts and monetary (re)distribution policies is what destabilized the league.
you said it wasn't because of the ln and then described the ln.
quote:no, they couldn't have and that's precisely what the issue was
They all could've stuck around and created their own networks if that was really the issue
quote:correct, hence the reason for the irritation
The Longhorn Network has done precisely dick for Texas athletics
quote:while hurting ou. you won't be able to admit this but, if the big12 had a conference network, the members would be MUCH better off. all you have to do is look at conference network revenue to know this. ou is the exception and surviving because they field a program that is unusually competitive.
All it has accomplished is draining ESPN's checking account
the only schools that could consistently win in the sec are okla, clemson, fsu, osu - maybe, maybe mich. if ou wasn't in that group, you would be parroting everything said in this thread.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:49 pm to bfniii
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unusually competitive
What?
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the only schools that could consistently win in the sec are okla, clemson, fsu, osu - maybe, maybe mich.
This is self aggrandizing nonsense.
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while hurting ou.
I'll ask again. How is their shitty network hurting OU? Be precise.
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:41 pm to CharlotteSooner
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I'll ask again. How is their shitty network hurting OU? Be precise.
You answered this yourself.
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The exit of 4 members who were really just seeking a bigger payday and greater exposure from other league's TV contracts and monetary (re)distribution policies is what destabilized the league.
The 4 that left could not form their own network contracts for exposure and life giving financial sustenance because of the longhorn network. The big 12 failed them, and they left only to be replaced by lesser programs. The SEC has a network that feeds our smaller fish. This makes our league superior and sustainable. Your league on the other hand has become the developmental league for the SEC, Pac12, and big 10.
At this rate the big 12 will consist of UT, OU, OSU, and 9 high school teams.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:45 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Who cares about a "conference network"? That's just another stupid idea that will fail in the marketplace if it's not propped up with cable bundling.
while I might agree with some other conference networks, SEC fans are so sports crazy year round it will be the one to actually succeed. Who wants to watch just a single school network outside of that school's fans. Too limiting to make good money long term.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 8:02 pm to CharlotteSooner
One could say Texas Aggies, Missouri, Colorado, Nebraska left for a multitude of reasons. But they all have one major thing in common; TEXAS and their dictatorship ways with the LHN, and expecting the rest to bow down to them.
The four mentioned above could have stayed. But why not leave and explore other options? I think Texas A&M and Missouri have marketed themselves better in the SEC. Aggies enjoyed the success of a Heisman winner with a big win over Alabama, and Missouri has used their latter Big 12 success as a spring board to their early success in the SEC.
Colorado finally made a splash by playing for the Pac 12 title last season.
Only Nebraska has yet to really do much since joining the Big Ten.
Aggies and MU fans on here know I constantly crap on them and I have my reasons. But their schools did what was best for their profiles and kudos to them.
I do think after MU and A&M left, that had they stayed, they would have won some conference titles. Hell, Baylor won two and TCU won one.
I chuckle when I think of 0-4. That's the record of Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri in conference title games since leaving the Big XII. Overall; Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M are a combined 4-18 in Big XII, Pac 12, Big Ten, SEC championship games.
Good for them but at the same time, it's quite funny that none have made a major statement since joining their new conferences.
The four mentioned above could have stayed. But why not leave and explore other options? I think Texas A&M and Missouri have marketed themselves better in the SEC. Aggies enjoyed the success of a Heisman winner with a big win over Alabama, and Missouri has used their latter Big 12 success as a spring board to their early success in the SEC.
Colorado finally made a splash by playing for the Pac 12 title last season.
Only Nebraska has yet to really do much since joining the Big Ten.
Aggies and MU fans on here know I constantly crap on them and I have my reasons. But their schools did what was best for their profiles and kudos to them.
I do think after MU and A&M left, that had they stayed, they would have won some conference titles. Hell, Baylor won two and TCU won one.
I chuckle when I think of 0-4. That's the record of Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri in conference title games since leaving the Big XII. Overall; Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M are a combined 4-18 in Big XII, Pac 12, Big Ten, SEC championship games.
Good for them but at the same time, it's quite funny that none have made a major statement since joining their new conferences.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 8:22 pm to Oklahomey
Count me as 1 OU fan that misses Colorado ,Texas AM, Nebraska and Missouri. Big 12 is fine for now, but it's not our long term.
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