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re: Houston Nutt part 20

Posted on 5/16/09 at 9:40 am to
Posted by mceuph
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 9:40 am to
I will bet you my entire life's fortune right now that Ole Miss NEVER goes to a BSC game.
Posted by wildrebeltime
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:11 am to
mceuph, I assume you are just joking. Nutt is the first experienced head coach they've had in a long time. Have you ever looked at the surrounding talent of oxford? He's closer to LA, Memphis, Bama, GA and Florida. Not to mention they still have Arkansas and TX recruiting ties and a home state that he can recruit better defensive players than he ever had at Ark.

The only 2 year to year challenges I see on the fixed schedule is Bama and LSU and he'll always have both at home the same year ever other. He's figured out how to beat Miles so I'll chalk that up as an automatic win at least every other year. So the only program really gonna be standing in their way is Bama but how much longer does Bama own that series? That's a game that will likely start going to the home team. Besides, how long does Saban stay and what type of drop off do we see when he bolts again and the next Mike Shula is hired? We've already seen where you don't have to win the SECCG to make the Sugar bowl. Yea, they are gonna go to a Sugar bowl or maybe the NC pretty soon.

Posted by bamascott2
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:14 am to
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If you want to go to a BSC game

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BCS?

Well, the Rebs say Ole Miss is going to one of those bowls with initials.
Posted by mceuph
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:14 am to
I will say this again, and I am NOT joking. Ole Miss will NEVER, EVER go to BSC game, as you stated in your original post. I will bet ANYTHING on this RIGHT NOW. Please take this bet. ANYTHING. I am absolutely serious.
Posted by sugatowng
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:15 am to

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wildrebeltime




One good year and now ya'll will be BCS icons where you can pencil in a win over LSU every other year...GTFO
Posted by mceuph
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:17 am to
Bamascott:
Thanks for ruining this for me, I think I may have almost convinced him to take the bet! Or at least to go on another 2 paragraph diatribe. You totally ruined my fun for the day!
This post was edited on 5/16/09 at 10:19 am
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:19 am to
Lets go ahead and point out just how wrong you are. Ok?

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He averaged an 8-4 record over 10 years which is the equivolent to averaging 10-2 at Lsu. Look at the talent and depth levels at LSU and Ark. Look at all the NFL players right now from LA that played at LSU and compare that to Ark. How many kids from Arkansas played at UA and played defense in an Arkansas highschool are in the NFL now? 1 or 2 maybe? Compare that to LSU. Arkansas gets about 1 difference maker (5star type) every 2 or 3 years, and a 4 star type who half the time turns out to be a bust. You guys always thought you could build a championship caliber team with that but you can't. You can't build a championship defense with a bunch of california juco blow-outs or Texas and Oklahoma kids the big 12 wasn't recruiting.



His Overall record was 75-48. His SEC record was 42-38. That means he averaged 7 wins a season, while averaging .500 in the SEC. He also had a 4 and 5 win season and went 2-6 in bowls. Let's not tell lies or overglorify. Ok?

Lets move on.

Now look at his final 6 years. This should be enlightening to you since you seem to believe he does more with less. Let's take a look at the "less" he had over his final 6 years and how he fared:

His last 6 years at Arkansas he had 6 first rounders, 7 second rounders, and 32 drafted in rounds 1-7. This doesn't even take into account free agents or transfers like Tarvarias Jackson. Among those 32 are Pro Bowlers such as Ken Hamlin and Shawn Andrews, the SEC All-Time rushing QB in Matt Jones, the 2nd leading SEC rusher of all time in McFadden, Felix Jones who had 5,100 APY, a Rimington Award winner in Luigs, on and on and on.......

Any coach with half a brain wins the SEC at least once with that talent. Hell, at a minimum they do better than one game over .500 in SEC play.

But with all the above mentioned talent, lets look at how Mr. More with less performed over his final 6 years:

25-24 SEC
14-19 Road
11-24 Top 25
1-3 Bowls (2 losing seasons)
Lost to Vandy twice
Gave up over 130 pts in 2 games to USC

This post was edited on 5/16/09 at 10:21 am
Posted by Cruiserhog
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:23 am to
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He averaged 8-4


well when you take out the cupcakes, Miss. Schools and USCe he averaged a thrilling 3-4 over that same timeline.
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:28 am to
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Who cares about his alledged adulturous indescretions? No one should have known about it if they weren't snooping in his private business. And what kind of person does it take to go public with someones private business as if to say "I have nothing better to do with my life then snoop into the coaches phone records" Maybe his wife is open to it and it's normal in that relationship anyway. Who cares?



First, lets not pick and choose details. Lets tell the whole story and/or remove our head from the sand.

Personally, I don't know that I would go for phone records but I'm also not the friend or family member of an athlete that is receiving threatening emails from friends of coaches. These emails were forwarded among the Nutt brothers, his wife, and others before being sent to Mitch. I've never had a coaches wife talk about beating an athletes mother with a 2x4 either. I'm not sure what I would do.

Regardless, recruits were being very verbal that Nutt had no contact with them during recruiting periods, not even by text, but how could he when he was texting his mistress the entire time? Would Les Miles have a 10 minute texting spree on the sideline of the Capital One Bowl?

This post was edited on 5/16/09 at 10:29 am
Posted by wildrebeltime
Little Rock
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:32 am to
woopig, that is nice but you are still missing the point. How many legit SEC caliber future NFL draft picks are playing highschool defense in the state of Arkansas every year? Compare that to Louisana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and Florida.

here is another comparison. Prior to the draft this year UA had 16 active NFL players. The six programs on UA's fixed conference schedule averaged out at 26 with Lsu (43) and MSU (18). Look at Nutt's record against the fixed schedule with much lesser talent. It's 62%. I haven't gone and broken down the milage that he had to recruit those 16 from but my guess is it's alot further than the average of the 6. I like how you bring up all these pro-bowlers and first and second rounders but the competion we face has more top to bottom and always will and that's why we'll never compete at that level over a 10 year period again. NO way no how no chance. If he had a poor record against certain teams it was b/c he was suppose to. Arkansas isn't suppose to beat florida or Georgia or LSU or teams like that hardly ever.
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:35 am to
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Arkansas, lets face it. 95% of the reason the drama was built up was b/c MItch Mustain and Gus Malzhan left the program and they left b/c their gimmick offense and Mitch's novice skillset didn't belong in the SEC. Mitch is a 3rd teamer now to sophomore and freshmen. Gus is about to fail miserably b/c he's never done anything with a QB under center and my bet is on he can't recruit or develop an SEC caliber qb (tried to bring Burns to Ark). Even if he can do those things, he was pretty neive to jump into that horrific Auburn situation right now of all places when he was rolling in conf USA. Arkansas is about to make another strong run at 5-7 unless Mallett plays alot better than at Michigan. Nutt is about to win the SEC-W and possibly bcs. If you aren't in all out panick mode yet, you will be around December


Gus has been out of the HS ranks for 3 years. After 3 years his resume now includes 2 OC of the Year awards, 3 division titles, 3 bowls, and 3 years of nation leading offenses.

He did it in HS with HS talent, SEC with SEC talent, and the C-USA with C-USA talent.

If he fails, you can run your mouth. But right now you're doing little more than scoffing at an OC that has done everything shy of win a BCS bowl in his first 3 years. If he ever fails, speak up. Until then you sound silly.
Posted by sugatowng
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:40 am to
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Arkansas is about to make another strong run at 5-7 unless Mallett plays alot better than at Michigan. Nutt is about to win the SEC-W and possibly bcs. If you aren't in all out panick mode yet, you will be around December


Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:43 am to
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Arkansas isn't suppose to beat florida or Georgia or LSU or teams like that hardly ever.


Ok. I'm about to give up. I don't think like that and any fan base worth it's weight in monkey dung wouldn't have that attitude. We can dip into the pockets of the nations wealthiest when we want, we have facilities that are 2nd to none, we do sign big recruits, and will play a game a year in the heart of Dallas for the next 10. I see no reasons to believe that we are so lowly and behind the power curve that we should be thankful to beat LSU.

Tell me this and then I'm bowing out:

Is this
25-24 SEC
14-19 Road
11-24 Top 25
1-3 Bowls (2 losing seasons)
Lost to Vandy twice
Gave up over 130 pts in 2 games to USC

The best that can be done with this?
His last 6 years at Arkansas he had 6 first rounders, 7 second rounders, and 32 drafted in rounds 1-7. This doesn't even take into account free agents or transfers like Tarvarias Jackson. Among those 32 are Pro Bowlers such as Ken Hamlin and Shawn Andrews, the SEC All-Time rushing QB in Matt Jones, the 2nd leading SEC rusher of all time in McFadden, Felix Jones who had 5,100 APY, a Rimington Award winner in Luigs, on and on and on.......


Put Sylvester Croom on our sidelines with the above talent and we win the SEC in those 6 years, or at least go better than .500
This post was edited on 5/16/09 at 10:45 am
Posted by blackrose890
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Apr 2009
6315 posts
Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:49 am to
Hog fans let us not feed the troll.

Rose out.
Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:53 am to
You're right. I should know better.
Posted by sugatowng
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 10:54 am to
I think it's PharmacyReb...What a douche
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 11:00 am to
Nutt has proven to do more with less.
Posted by wildrebeltime
Little Rock
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 11:00 am to
Who cares if Diana Nutt wanted to beat Momma Mustain with a 2x4. She went to the AD and complained about the offensive philosphy and according to ESPN stated Gus Malzhan should be running things. Saying it , fantasizing about it is not doing it but I can certainly understand why she'd say it.



woopig here's what I think about the email situation; First, we don't have any evidence Houston himself was behind it originally. He only gave the apology and later took the fall for it. I think there is some merit to the theory Danny directed it but didn't he have brain cancer? wasn't he on some sort of meds? wasn't he already relieved or about to be relieved of his coaching at that time? I'm not so sure a person in that type of medical condition can be counted on to make wise fundamental decisions.

Looking back at that entire situation there are a few things we know now that the casual hog fan didn't know back then. There is alot of evidence that Gus, Mitch and his mother were sort of culprits in the entire situation b/c they thought this little gimmick offense, shotgun, spread, highschool stuff was going to work at Arkansas but it wasn't and Nutt and Broyles knew it wasn't. But how do you inform an ignorant fanbase of that when Johnny Smith is throwing for 600 yards a game at the local highschool? I think Mitch probabaly had a poor attitude toward Nutt's offense and that led to most of his problems on and off the field. I also think Nutt probably had a good idea he was wasting a scholarship on a primadonna quarterback who thrived in a "system" and would only be satisfied in that "system" and could only succeed in a lower level in that "system" but for the sake of the ignorant fan he had to take him and his over-rated coach anyway.



Posted by woopiginaustin
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 11:08 am to
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pankReb


I see what you did


Posted by sugatowng
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Posted on 5/16/09 at 11:14 am to
Nutt didn't have an offense prior to Malzahn...evident by the same plays he's been running since 2006...Funny, how none of those plays were there in his previous years which consisted of stretch plays and 5 yard outs...

Nutt is still Nutt...

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