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re: History shows Nick Saban's time as an elite coach is almost (if not already) over
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:19 am to ChipDiamond
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:19 am to ChipDiamond
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Would ya look at that!
Wins the natty.
Still obsessed with Saban/Bama.
lashing out because you have no response
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Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:20 am to Draconian Sanctions
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one of the best
Stopped reading right there.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:21 am to EarlyCuyler3
Rockne or Bryant could be argued depending on what you value in a coach
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
Titles
Which leaves you with two options and both are Bama guys. And Nick did it during a much harder era.
Which leaves you with two options and both are Bama guys. And Nick did it during a much harder era.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:24 am to EarlyCuyler3
Okay, I didn't want to get into who is the best which is why i put "one of"
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:39 am to 14&Counting
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A 69 year old Saban>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else out there
Apparently not the case in 2018 and 2019
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:39 am to Draconian Sanctions
This is actually an interesting and informative post. Thanks for doing the research. While Alabama is still extremely talented, I do sense a general weakening in terms of discipline, toughness, grit, etc in the team. The talent alone can make Alabama a playoff contender, but in those two or three critical games a season where discipline and grit determine the winner, Alabama no longer scares anyone. You look at the LSU and Auburn losses this past year and the level of sloppy play and critical mistakes were virtually unheard of in a Saban coached team 7 or 8 years ago. The DL, CB, and run game are miles away from where they used to be. We haven't had a shut down corner since Marlon Humphrey or a physically imposing run game since Derrick Henry. The defense went from reliably intimidating to a complete guess as to whether they will even show up. The most glaring difference is that on a 3rd and 2 play with the game on the line, I have serious doubts in our ability to run the ball for a first down and vice versa on our ability to stop the opponent in a similar scenario. That was always the difference between Alabama and everyone else.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
Get up,
come on get down with the shortness
Yo momma get up,
come on get down with the shortness
Yo father get up,
come on get down with the shortness
Height was the gift
that was not given to me
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
Damn how long did it take you to do all that? Livin rent free in that head.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 9:56 am to MillerLiteTime
And there you go, an honest Alabama fan in Miller Lite
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:15 am to mpwilging
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And there you go, an honest Alabama fan in Miller Lite
Nothing he said has to do with the OP trying to claim there is a pattern in his information.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:20 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Did Bobby elaborate on why he started to care less?
From the interview I remember watching, I don't think he did. He just said he stopped coaching and started letting his assistants do the work.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:23 am to MillerLiteTime
You seem to be serious, so I'm going to post a serious response.
I agree with your overall assessment.
Not considering who was having to play and why they were out of position so much, which should be obvious, I think the main defensive woes last season could be attributed to the revolving door of assistants that seemingly had one foot out the door and either misidentified or didn't carefully identify incoming talent. The stars were certainly there, but the grit and drive just wasn't.
The loss of assistants has been an issue at Alabama (and any successful program) for years - LSU will be dealing with this next season - but I personally think this is the first time it's affected the performance on the field to this degree.
There was an internal emphasis during this past period to sign players who are mentally tough, and in-state guys who understand the importance of getting up for a rivalry game, for example. This is what Saban means by trying to return to the "Alabama factor."
I honestly think Saban gets even more driven by these perceived frustrations, and he will never stop trying to change the pieces of the puzzle until it either works, or he realizes that he just can't do it anymore.
With that being said, will it turn around as early as next season? Who knows. But if I were betting, I would say that it more than likely will.
I agree with your overall assessment.
Not considering who was having to play and why they were out of position so much, which should be obvious, I think the main defensive woes last season could be attributed to the revolving door of assistants that seemingly had one foot out the door and either misidentified or didn't carefully identify incoming talent. The stars were certainly there, but the grit and drive just wasn't.
The loss of assistants has been an issue at Alabama (and any successful program) for years - LSU will be dealing with this next season - but I personally think this is the first time it's affected the performance on the field to this degree.
There was an internal emphasis during this past period to sign players who are mentally tough, and in-state guys who understand the importance of getting up for a rivalry game, for example. This is what Saban means by trying to return to the "Alabama factor."
I honestly think Saban gets even more driven by these perceived frustrations, and he will never stop trying to change the pieces of the puzzle until it either works, or he realizes that he just can't do it anymore.
With that being said, will it turn around as early as next season? Who knows. But if I were betting, I would say that it more than likely will.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:32 am to paperwasp
This will be the telling year, if we have a year. Because Saban has not gone 3 years without a NC at Bama, only 2 years. If he wins it this year then you are dead wrong. If he does not then you might be onto something. I was texting with 2 of my UGA friends a few weeks back, and they asked me how long I thought Saban will coach. I said that he would coach 5 more years and that he would win 2 more National Championships durning that time. Based on his track record at Alabama that is an reasonable prediction, unless you are correct with your hypothesis. The one thing that makes it hard to predict the same fate for him as the other coaches, is he is wired differently than all of them which makes his outcome more unpredictable, and he has had more success than any of them so his downfall might no be as dramatic. Only time will tell.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:35 am to StopRobot
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Damn how long did it take you to do all that?
like 10-15 minutes max, Wikipedia has a list of winningest coaches with links to their pages. I'm also a student of the history of college football and had a vague idea about most of it.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:36 am to paperwasp
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You seem to be serious, so I'm going to post a serious response.
I agree with your overall assessment.
Not considering who was having to play and why they were out of position so much, which should be obvious, I think the main defensive woes last season could be attributed to the revolving door of assistants that seemingly had one foot out the door and either misidentified or didn't carefully identify incoming talent. The stars were certainly there, but the grit and drive just wasn't.
The loss of assistants has been an issue at Alabama (and any successful program) for years - LSU will be dealing with this next season - but I personally think this is the first time it's affected the performance on the field to this degree.
There was an internal emphasis during this past period to sign players who are mentally tough, and in-state guys who understand the importance of getting up for a rivalry game, for example. This is what Saban means by trying to return to the "Alabama factor."
I honestly think Saban gets even more driven by these perceived frustrations, and he will never stop trying to change the pieces of the puzzle until it either works, or he realizes that he just can't do it anymore.
With that being said, will it turn around as early as next season? Who knows. But if I were betting, I would say that it more than likely will.
If not for the extreme amount of defensive injuries last year we win a national championship. Even with those injuries, Alabama was still close to pulling off the victory against LSU.
We have more talent at Alabama right now than we have had in the past 10+ years.
It takes good teams and a little luck to win a national championship, just had bad luck last year.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:36 am to 3down10
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with the OP trying to claim there is a pattern in his information
I mean there undeniably is a pattern
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:36 am to Draconian Sanctions
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like 10-15 minutes max, Wikipedia has a list of winningest coaches with links to their pages. I'm also a student of the history of college football and had a vague idea about most of it.
Well you damn sure aren't a student on how to get meaningful stats from data.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:37 am to Draconian Sanctions
As a LSU fan, I am not going to say Saban is still strong or is fading. But all those other coaches listed above, at some point, age-related, surrendered a lot of day to day running of the team to other staff members. Thus making it easier to "hang around", less stress. Saban will never surrender one inch of control, keeping the stress meter running at full speed. Can you envision Saban standing up in the tower, simply observing, like Bowden, the Bear, Joe Pa did for yrs and yrs?
Posted on 4/15/20 at 10:37 am to 3down10
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If not for
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close
I remember how that felt in the Miles later years.
you have my sympathies
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