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re: History shows Nick Saban's time as an elite coach is almost (if not already) over
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
When you're talking about the best to ever do something, comparing them to other people in an attempt to predict the future is difficult. Just because other coaches dropped off at a certain age, that doesn't mean Saban will.
We saw the same kind of comparisons with Bress and Brady with them being 40 years old. Both are still playing at a very high level.
We saw the same kind of comparisons with Bress and Brady with them being 40 years old. Both are still playing at a very high level.
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:21 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I mean it clearly does mean something. You’d have to be in an extreme amount of denial to think it didn’t mean anything at all.
Yeah, it means old people are more likely to retire.
It's hard to maintain success at any age, which is why 99% of coaches aren't able to do it.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:22 pm to 3down10
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It's hard to maintain success at any age
And even the ones who can do it don’t after their late 60’s.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:22 pm to 3down10
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Yeah, it means old people are more likely to retire.
I didn’t list retirement ages
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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And even the ones who can do it don’t after their late 60’s.
So the longer they have success, the harder it is to keep maintaining it?
Boy, that's shocking.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I didn’t list retirement ages
Retirement, end of their success, whatever. Same points remain.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:26 pm to 3down10
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Retirement, end of their success, whatever.
Well they are two totally different things.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:27 pm to 3down10
Well obviously drop offs happen like last year. Bama is still loaded but the coaching gap has closed quite a bit. Bama won’t win on talent alone anymore but to say their dominance is over is a bit premature
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:28 pm to 3down10
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So the longer they have success, the harder it is to keep maintaining it?
Boy, that's shocking.
So you don't think it says anything at all about what the aging process does to a person's ability to be en elite college coach around the age of 65-70 when pretty much ALL of the winningest coaches of all time start falling off around then?
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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History shows Nick Saban's time as an elite coach is almost (if not already) over
You seem very desperate to convince yourself of this.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:31 pm to skrayper
The stats are what they are my man.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The research shows that the late 60's tends to be (at the latest) the area in which these historically great coaches tend to hit a wall.
Do they hit a wall or just stop putting out as much effort as they used to when they were younger? Bobby Bowden has gone on record saying he stopped coaching in the early-00s and let his assistants take charge. Bear Bryant hit a wall because his health started to fail him.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:33 pm to Elleshoe
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Since 2016 when Orgeron took over at LSU, he’s 1-3 against Saban
Thanks for the factoid!
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:34 pm to LSUNV
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premature
OP is the expert on all things premature. Just let him have this.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:34 pm to RollTide1987
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Do they hit a wall or just stop putting out as much effort as they used to when they were younger? Bobby Bowden has gone on record saying he stopped coaching in the early-00s and let his assistants take charge. Bear Bryant hit a wall because his health started to fail him.
I guess it would have to be a case by case situation. Did Bobby elaborate on why he started to care less?
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:37 pm to skrayper
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OP is the expert on all things premature. Just let him have this.
Lashing out like that just shows that you have no actual response and deep down you're just angry because you now what the stats in my OP mean.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:37 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Stick a fork in him.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:40 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Lashing out like that just shows that you have no actual response deep down you're just angry because you now what the stats in my OP mean.
Those aren't stats, they're factoids. Statements. Statistics are number driven by data in a meaningful way.
Like if you said, "93% of all coaches win all their national titles by the age of 65", that's a statistic.
A list of guys who won the NFL rushing title, for example, is not a statistic. The percentage of them who were originally in the SEC is.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:43 pm to skrayper
Definition of statistic:
That's exactly what my OP is. If you want me to put it in numerical form for you, I can.
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a fact or piece of data from a study of a large quantity of numerical data.
That's exactly what my OP is. If you want me to put it in numerical form for you, I can.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Insightful OP. I think it’s a matter of “ losing the locker room” after a certain age and I think it’s universal across sports. Players have not only heard it all before, they have heard every iteration and parody of it before. It goes from being raw and authentic to being derivative and played out. I think that’s why Saban’s teams have choked in three straight big games and needed a miracle to save them before that with Georgia. Because they aren’t all in anymore- they go through the motions- because they already know what Saban is going to say and do . They’ve seen this movie before. So they’ll feast when they overmatch teams and lose against teams that aren’t at a talent deficit and are still hungry and fresh and on the upswing. It’s simple psychology .
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