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re: Historically, who truly is 2nd best in the SEC behind Alabama?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:13 pm to GatorBait24
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:13 pm to GatorBait24
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So we will never pass Tennessee or Georgia because they had better teams before most of us were born?
You still have 5 fewer SEC titles than both, over 100 fewer all-time wins than UT and 94 fewer than Georgia, and a significantly lower all-time winning % than both. That's not something Florida is going to overcome with a 15-20 year stretch
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That doesn’t seem like the best way to decide who the 2nd best team in conference is.
currently it doesn't, but all-time sure it does.
Florida doesn't even have a good argument to be ranked over LSU all-time either, so not sure why we're taking the leap to Tennessee
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 2:15 pm
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Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:14 pm to GatorBait24
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Then this question doesn’t even matter because it will be Bama and Tennessee as the top 2
well that's true, they've earned it
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for the next 30 years because they built up so much equity throughout the 40’s 50’s 60’s and 70’s
that's false. UT is rapidly on the decline. Over the last 30 years UGA/UF/AU/LSU have all made major advancements and are all jumbled up together
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Is there anything Florida can do to catch up?
uhhhh....keep winning? It's not like you're gonna jump to #2 by 2020, but nothing says you can't within the next 20 years if you repeat the success of 1990-2008.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:16 pm to GatorBait24
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Then this question doesn’t even matter because it will be Bama and Tennessee as the top 2 for the next 30 years because they built up so much equity throughout the 40’s 50’s 60’s and 70’s.
So if they built up equity over all these years, why do you think Tennessee should lose all of it for having a down 10-12 years?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:18 pm to lsufball19
He's basically saying "those 2 schools have won at a high level for 60 or more years...but my school has won at a high level for 30. Why aren't we looked at as better than them?"
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:18 pm to WG_Dawg
Can we weight recent history heavier than pre segration stuff? I mean if this is the formula you could say Yale is a better program historically than Florida or Georgia but we both know that info is useless for this era.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:19 pm to GatorBait24
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Can we weight recent history heavier than pre segration stuff?
why would we do that? We all played under the same rules
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:20 pm to WG_Dawg
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He's basically saying "those 2 schools have won at a high level for 60 or more years...but my school has won at a high level for 30. Why aren't we looked at as better than them?"
Oh I'm very aware. A lot of people have a difficulty with recency bias. And given most people that post here are 25 years old or younger, it makes many people even more incapable of understanding how good UT's program used to be and how much separation there was from them and the 3rd best program all-time. They just know what they've seen with their own eyes the past 15 years
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:21 pm to Sean Bean
In football, it's still clearly Tennessee. You said some things about Georgia passing them in certain stats, but those haven't happened yet. Until then, it's Tennessee.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:22 pm to lsufball19
Those are all fair points. It is what it is I guess.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:29 pm to WG_Dawg
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while UF has 1 more national title. It's not like it's outlandish to say we're a better all-time program
And it's not outlandish to say UF > UG.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:30 pm to GatorBait24
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Can we weight recent history heavier than pre segration stuff?
you can do whatever you want. Start a thread of "best programs over the last 30 years" or something and obviously UF is gonna be up there. But when the topic is "historically" (as it is in the OP), that means...in history. As in, all-time.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:31 pm to Korin
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And it's not outlandish to say UF > UG
when you're talking all-time since both schools began playign football, your claim has little merit.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:32 pm to WG_Dawg
Take it up with the AP and Winsipedia.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:34 pm to Sean Bean
Probably Georgia or Florida. But it's a distant 2nd.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:36 pm to Korin
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Take it up with the AP
are you insinuating that over 100 years of football seasons that UF would get the edge based on people voting them higher in a popularity contest? While ignoring the actual titles and victories won on the field that UGA has far more of?
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:39 pm to WG_Dawg
I’m not mad about it, I’m not going to make a new thread, I was genuinely curious why we were behind Tennessee and Georgia, you guys made some very valid points and I conceded that y’all were right. I’m not sure what else I can do? I obviously was wrong in my original thinking and owned it.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:40 pm to WG_Dawg
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are you insinuating that over 100 years of football seasons that UF would get the edge based on people voting them higher in a popularity contest? While ignoring the actual titles and victories won on the field that UGA has far more of?
Again, take it up with ESPN and Winspedia as well. We're also neck and neck with each other on CFDW (11th and 12th all-time).
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:41 pm to SabinBear
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Probably Georgia or Florida. But it's a distant 2nd.
You can lump AU/FL/UG/LSU/UT together. A certain fanbase thinks their program is right up there with Alabama's though.
This post was edited on 5/17/18 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:46 pm to Sean Bean
LSU are champions of the century according to Wikipedia, I would say that is good evidence.
Posted on 5/17/18 at 2:47 pm to Korin
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Again, take it up with ESPN
lol
Again, you're talking about everythign you can OTHER than on-field results. Popularity rankings of polls, draft picks, heisman winners, etc. All things that favor UF (some by a cnt hair). The actual on-field results:
UGA has almost 100 more wins
UGA has a sizeable lead in all time win %
UGA has quite a bit more SEC titles
UGA has been to more bowls
UGA has a better bowl win %
UGA has more head to head wins
The only actual on-field accomplishment where UF trumps UGA is in national titles, at 3 to 2. Granted, natties are big and can be a major trump card, but 1 more national title doesn't erase every other category UGA leads in.
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