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re: Here's a look at the odds for each team to win the SEC Football 2021

Posted on 5/12/21 at 4:17 pm to
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 5/12/21 at 4:17 pm to
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So why would Lsu be laughing? Those teams are better than yours.





LSU fans aren't allowed to talk about other teams?

I think it's pretty obvious that 2020 LSU was bad, I mean nearly the entire coaching staff was fired.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/12/21 at 4:19 pm to
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I think it's pretty obvious that 2020 LSU was bad


So bad!

Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
58058 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 5:17 pm to
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He runs a very complicated pro style/West Coast offense


Ok.

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doesn't spread the field


False. This is how I know you don't watch much of A&M. Aside from only going 4 wide quite a bit there are a lot of RPOs in our offense. Just b/c Mond had issues hitting WRs deep does not mean Jimbo doesn't have guys run those routes nor does it mean the team is always rolling with two tight ends.

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tries to run the ball


Yes most coaches try to establish some sort of run game. However he tries for a balanced offense. He isn't ground and pound but rather let's the flow of the game dictate the play calling. In 3 years the run/pass ratio has been 52/48, 47/53, 55/45. You know what it's been the last 3 years at Alabama? 56/44, 50/50, 52/48. On top of that, a good chunk of the runs came from Mond himself. Oh noes! Muh ancient offense!


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play ball control.


Mostly done to protect a defense that Sumlin left with little depth. That's coaching 101.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52489 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 5:51 pm to
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Aside from only going 4 wide quite a bit




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there are a lot of RPOs in our offense. 


That doesn't necessarily spread the field, bro

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nor does it mean the team is always rolling with two tight ends


No one said jack shite about two tight end formations

You seem to have an issue with believing what is in front of your eyes.

Why do you think Jimbo hasn't had a really good offense since offensive philosophies around college football have changed?

Delusions get you nowhere.
Posted by OSTiger77
Ocean Springs
Member since Nov 2017
1698 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:47 pm to
2/3 are a joke. Ole Miss better chance than them.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30090 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 6:54 pm to
On what planet are Mizzou's and UT's odds the same?
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58058 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 7:05 pm to
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No one said jack shite about two tight end formations


You said he doesn't spread the field which is flat out false. He's not running some dinosaur I formation offense.

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You seem to have an issue with believing what is in front of your eyes.


Says the guy who blatantly doesn't watch A&M play.

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That doesn't necessarily spread the field, bro


But it does show that he is not running a 2007 offense.

Again, it's really clear that you barely watch A&M and have frick all idea of what Jimbo does on offense now. The extent of your knowledge begins and ends with some sort of west coast pro style offense. Congrats. You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Not sure why you feel the need to pretend otherwise.
This post was edited on 5/12/21 at 7:10 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52489 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 7:28 pm to
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You said he doesn't spread the field which is flat out false.




Sure, whatever you say

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He's not running some dinosaur I formation offense.


Didn't say he was. In fact, one of my responses said it wasn't quite as bad as a Les Miles offense but definitely not cutting edge.



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Again, it's really clear that you barely watch A&M and have frick all idea of what Jimbo does on offense now. The extent of your knowledge begins and ends with some sort of west coast pro style offense. Congrats. You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Not sure why you feel the need to pretend otherwise.




It isn't like I'm the only one who says these things.

Here's an article that says basically the same things I'm saying that you're obviously biased and blind to:

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Watching them play, it almost feels like the offenses have an imaginary box around them, spanning from five yards behind the line of scrimmage to about 20 yards down the field. Any play that goes for more than 20 yards is almost certainly a result of a player breaking out of the scheme, not being enabled by it to make those plays.


LINK
Posted by Trojan1998
Member since Oct 2004
1237 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 7:33 pm to
But, Mississippi State is #8 in the preseason ESPN FPI rankings??
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58058 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 7:38 pm to
Neat a random blog post from a complete nobody who fricks up his analysis on what's happening in the few plays he shows from the first game of the year last season? Welp, that proves it!
This post was edited on 5/12/21 at 7:40 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52489 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 7:50 pm to
Since you refuse to believe any of my points are valid, why exactly do you believe that Jimbo hasn't been able to put an elite offense on the field since Jamies and friends?
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
58058 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 8:27 pm to
Not having an elite offense and an offense that is out of date are two completely different things.

Mond was incredibly inconsistent and the WR depth was poor. That was the biggest issue at A&M w/the offense his first few years. He's getting in his own players now which will change things.

Again, you haven't been able to show anything that proves any of your points.

You linked a random blog post where the guy is calling the offense bad where you can clearly see Mond is missing guys. Mond getting caught up with tunnel vision or not making his reads fast enough has nothing to do with what kind of offense is being run.

Take for example this play



You can see that Mond zeros in on Caleb Chapman from the get go and neglects to take the easy checkdown to Anias Smith who in all likely hood easily gets the first down b/c of how the WRs have cleared out the right center of the field. Where the guy gets his analysis wrong is he blames that on the offense rather than Mond himself. Not only did Mond screw up by not taking the easy dumpoff, he could had likely run for the first down himself as well. That was another issue with Mond. For as talented as he was as a runner he often refused to take off and run and instead tossed up a prayer whatever WR he was tunneling.

So the issue he has by saying the offense forces the QB to throw guy open is just plain incorrect. Saying there is too much going on when Mond does not ever take his eyes off Champman is incorrect. That play is 100% on Mond. Not only that, the play before? Chapman was open for an easy first down and Mond sailed the ball 5 yards over his head. This was another major issue with Mond. His deep ball accuracy was flat out too inconsistent to hit WRs when they did break free. Again, that is not a problem with the offense. That is a problem with Mond. Even here Mond overthrows Chapman badly. He actually has a chance to get that first down w/a good throw but since he didn't read the defense properly Champman was also probably going to get lit up by the defender.

Not only that, those plays were from the first game of the year during a pandemic where there was zero spring practice and a truncated fall w/A&M playing Alabama the next week. No shite they didn't open everything up. Nobody goes full bore in week one and that's especially true when they have an opponent like Bama the following week. Mond did get better as the year went along for he most part. Yes he stunk it up against LSU but that was also after the team wasn't able to practice for 2 weeks b/c of contact tracing and players catching COVID. So again that is a terrible game to judge the offense by.
This post was edited on 5/12/21 at 8:32 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52489 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 10:17 pm to
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Mond was incredibly inconsistent and the WR depth was poor. That was the biggest issue at A&M w/the offense his first few years. He's getting in his own players now which will change things.


I love how Aggies like to blame the players when Jimbo has been there for three seasons so apparently Jimbo hasn't recruited well enough for his guys to beat out the guys Sumlin recruited if your excuse is true.

Aggies also like to blame Mond but don't blame Jimbo for starting him for three whole seasons, no recruit beating out Mond and no transfer being brought in.

Also, the offense apparently wasn't dumbed down enough for him if he was consistently making bad reads.

The Aggie apologists also don't like to talk about how Jimbo was remarkably meh his last three seasons at FSU despite having all of his own guys. I'm sure you have an excuse for that too.



All of the signs seem to say that Jimbo isn't an elite X's and O's offensive coach anymore, the game has passed him by.
Posted by jfootball14
Member since Nov 2013
1531 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 10:21 pm to
I love how you constantly post about us. You’re obsessed or something
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52489 posts
Posted on 5/12/21 at 10:38 pm to
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I love how you constantly post about us. You’re obsessed or something

Literally every post you've ever made here is about LSU
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
14449 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 5:40 am to
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We played the entire west plus Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina, & Vandy. Then we played the #3 team in the ACC.

Aggie hanging that hat on this
As an LSU fan it humbles me to say we sucked pretty bad last year but the end of the season gave us hope. As an Aggie Fan to brag like you guys actually did something last year other than beat a bunch of bad teams is pretty funny especially when you had a QB that has started every game since Freshman.

This will be an interesting upcoming season. Bama at the top but LSU and aggie making a push. I think LSU gets back on track and pushes bama but i can see aggie in the mix.
Posted by LSUsuperfresh
Member since Oct 2010
8331 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:24 am to
Ole Miss best value bet there. A&M is inflated. They MAY finish 2nd in the West again but have 0% chance of winning the SEC. I wouldn't like the bet at 50:1
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