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re: Herbstreit: People are failing to grasp this is a new era
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:09 am to Fishhead
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:09 am to Fishhead
in all seriousness, it's cool if you disagree, especially since there is an sec championship game which makes this all more or less meaningless.
what I'm objecting to is all this, "how could they do this?" shite when again, Alabama is ahead of Florida in literally every system we have and every system we've ever had. doesn't mean you have to like it but surely you can see that. strength of schedule, strength of record, human polls, computer polls, eyeball test, all of it. it may not mean anything to you but this is college football. surely you recognize that's how it works.
what I'm objecting to is all this, "how could they do this?" shite when again, Alabama is ahead of Florida in literally every system we have and every system we've ever had. doesn't mean you have to like it but surely you can see that. strength of schedule, strength of record, human polls, computer polls, eyeball test, all of it. it may not mean anything to you but this is college football. surely you recognize that's how it works.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 1:10 am
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:09 am to aspiclark
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gerrymandering
I know what it means.
I felt that it conveyed my point about manipulating a system to achieve a result.
If you want to get ticky tacky, then we can go down that road.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:11 am to BasilBogomil
so you think there was a conspiracy in all 3 human polls to get bama in? do you understand how those polls work? that is literally insane.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:13 am to aspiclark
I'm off to listen to some Dan Carlin(his new episode of HH just dropped!) and get some sleep. Night night fellas 
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:13 am to aspiclark
will never understand this inclination that some ppl of *ahem* a certain intellectual capability to assume anything that happens that they disagree with is a conspiracy.
you should maybe just learn to take a step back and recognize that ppl though bama was better, so they voted that way. the world is not out to get you.
bama was the best team that year btw, 21-0.
you should maybe just learn to take a step back and recognize that ppl though bama was better, so they voted that way. the world is not out to get you.
bama was the best team that year btw, 21-0.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:14 am to aspiclark
quote:As far as recognizing how it works, of course I do. I'm 46 years old and have been following CFB since Cholly Mac and Bear Bryant were going at it.
in all seriousness, it's cool if you disagree, especially since there is an sec championship game which makes this all more or less meaningless.
what I'm objecting to is all this, "how could they do this?" shite when again, Alabama is ahead of Florida in literally every system we have and every system we've ever had. doesn't mean you have to like it but surely you can see that. strength of schedule, strength of record, human polls, computer polls, eyeball test, all of it. it may not mean anything to you but this is college football. surely you recognize that's how it works.
I recognize it so much that it didn't surprise me at all. I didn't really expect Bama in the top 4, but I did expect them to be ranked ahead of UF and as close to LSU as possible. It's...politics. It's money. Anytime I don't understand why something is the way it is, I look for the money. The money is in hyping up 11/7/15 in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:16 am to aspiclark
quote:They were the best team that night, yes. And I had no problem with them being there, although I thought they had a huge advantage, and still feel that way. But I did believe the two best teams that year were LSU and Bama...no doubt. Either would've destroyed Okie State.
bama was the best team that year btw, 21-0.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:19 am to Fishhead
I didn't expect it either.
but when you say "I look for the money." that is exactly what I'm talking about in my post about conspiracies above. that is a comically unhealthy way to look at things, especially things like this which again really aren't out of line with the stated mission of the committee.
again, it would have been the same in the bcs era. it would have been the same in the pre bcs era. it has nothing to do with money. the world is not going to always march lockstep with your point of view.
if you ever find yourself on the wrong side of the computers, the human polls, etc. maybe take a step back and consider why without inventing some money related conspiracy next time. the simplest explanation is usually the best one: ppl think bama is better. (and the computers...and strength of record and so on.)
but when you say "I look for the money." that is exactly what I'm talking about in my post about conspiracies above. that is a comically unhealthy way to look at things, especially things like this which again really aren't out of line with the stated mission of the committee.
again, it would have been the same in the bcs era. it would have been the same in the pre bcs era. it has nothing to do with money. the world is not going to always march lockstep with your point of view.
if you ever find yourself on the wrong side of the computers, the human polls, etc. maybe take a step back and consider why without inventing some money related conspiracy next time. the simplest explanation is usually the best one: ppl think bama is better. (and the computers...and strength of record and so on.)
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:20 am to Fishhead
they were the best team, period.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:23 am to aspiclark
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:24 am to BasilBogomil
if he had voted them 2 it wouldn't have made a difference.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:26 am to BasilBogomil
again, if you think there was an organized conspiracy, which you implied when you clumsily misused the word gerrymandering, you are beyond help. that is literally insane.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:30 am to ReauxlTide222
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People just put way too much value on losses.
I agree with you and the OP edit. I certainly want LSU to beat Alabama, and believe we have a good chance to. The fact that Alabama is #4 will make it a more valuable win for LSU, should they win it.
This is not bad news for LSU. I do believe that the SEC gets more respect in the eyes of the committee, and rightfully so, we play a thing called defense in this conference.
Alabama has an elite defense this season up to this point. We can bring up the OM game and the 43 points, but let's not fool ourselves about how those points were scored.
I believe it is unique that this committee takes into consideration the growth and the gelling of a team, as opposed to just the record.
In my opinion Alabama is growing and gelling. Tennessee is a talented football team, they just haven't put it all together yet, and I don't really know if they ever will.
We don't have to make every post from a homer mentality, it's okay to speak honestly. This should be a hell of a game, Alabamas D is for real, our offense is for real, and our D is pretty good also.
I'll ask anyone this, if Alabama was 7th in this ranking, how many teams ranked higher would you honestly favor against them in a head to head battle? if you were betting money? Maybe Ohio State? LSU? Clemson? Those are the only 3 teams I would give a decent chance to beat them, and I wouldn't put money on it. I left Florida out of the "decent chance to beat Alabama" because I don't believe at this time they have the offensive fire power to beat them, that could change.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 1:37 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 1:43 am to IAmReality
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The committee is prioritizing strength of schedule much more than the polls ever did, to the point they have no problem putting teams with 1 loss above undefeated teams (see last year and this year).
Possible that after the regular season this is what Bama's 9 Power 5 games look like:
Wisconsin: 10-2
Ole Miss: 9-3
Georgia: 9-3
Arkansas: 5-7
Texas A&M: 9-3
Tennessee: 8-4
LSU: 11-1
Mississippi State: 8-4
Auburn: 5-7
Total vs Power 5: 74-34 (68.5%)
That's 5 teams with at least 9 wins, 7 with at least 8. I don't know which other 1 loss teams would have a schedule that strong, IF it ends that way.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 5:38 am to Fishhead
Why the hell does it matter where Florida is ranked when they are guaranteed to play Alabama, LSU or OM for a spot in the playoffs. This is nothing more than LSU fans doing what they do best cry.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 5:42 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
The problem I have with Alabama ranked so high is the terrible QB play. If we are talking eye test, Coker doesn't pass the test. If Alabama can win old school football, more power to them. If they lose with it, they should be held accountable like every other team.
What we see is a bunch of old people putting Alabama and ND higher than they should be because they've always been good.
If you are going to base this thing on more than this season, give TCU credit for the beat down of Ole Miss in the bowl game last year.
What we see is a bunch of old people putting Alabama and ND higher than they should be because they've always been good.
If you are going to base this thing on more than this season, give TCU credit for the beat down of Ole Miss in the bowl game last year.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 5:45 am to BearBait09
quote:
committee
Is composed of "old guard" types who were against the BCS bc it didn't honor tradition enough.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 6:10 am to IAmReality
People are freaking out over stuff that doesn't matter.
If you can't handle the first ranking with the appropriate amount of importance it holds (none), don't turn your TV on to watch it.
If you can't handle the first ranking with the appropriate amount of importance it holds (none), don't turn your TV on to watch it.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 6:12 am to SamuelClemens
What most of you guys are missing on SOS is the committee gives more credence to what a team was ranked before you play them than they do after. They even said that last year a couple of times. Bama has beaten 2 undefeated top 10 teams on the road. But, my Bama buddies don't get how much weight they give to CCs. UF, Baylor or Stanford could all jump us if they win out. I think they give too much weight to CCs but they have talked about it too much to ignore.
This post was edited on 11/4/15 at 7:55 am
Posted on 11/4/15 at 6:17 am to IAmReality
Still doesn't explain Bama's ranking or Florida's. At this point in the season it doesn't really matter, but it makes people question the decision-making of this committee and, IMO, rightfully so.
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