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re: Hendon Hooker is writing bible based children comic books
Posted on 9/21/22 at 9:44 am to Teague
Posted on 9/21/22 at 9:44 am to Teague
quote:I hoped that you would have read my response and learned to read the Bible in context. It seems you didn't learn anything, so let's try again.
Ok, let's say you're right.
How about this one? Also out of context, I bet... [Matt. 6]
The rest of the passage in Matthew chapter 6 explains what is being taught. Here is the full passage:
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."
The example Jesus gives of such practice is the hypocritical gestures that the Jews of the time were doing where they were drawing attention to themselves for the sake of boosting their own image and reputation in the eyes of the people. "Giving in secret" was commanded in contrast to drawing attention to yourself publicly for your gifts of service. The Bible teaches us that all glory should go to God (1 Cor. 10:31), and when we make a spectacle out of ourselves for the purpose of our own glory, we're robbing God of what belongs to Him.
So again, this isn't a contradiction. Read the context for understanding rather than looking for a "gotcha". It just makes you look foolish.
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Posted on 9/21/22 at 9:46 am to FooManChoo
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So again, this isn't a contradiction. Read the context for understanding rather than looking for a "gotcha". It just makes you look foolish.
I'm actually kind of disappointed. I was hoping for one of the more challenging supposed contradictions. But all he's got is basic Sunday school stuff.
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 9:47 am
Posted on 9/21/22 at 9:48 am to weremoose
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I was hoping for one of the more challenging supposed contradictions.
He hasn't even studied this stuff enough to get to the good ones!
Posted on 9/21/22 at 9:49 am to BigPaintedInOrange
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Hendon could care less about recieving the spot light or attention and that's something to be respected in it's own right imo.
Hooker allowed the media to interview him about it, so you can GFY.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 9:54 am to BigPaintedInOrange
And WHO in hell are YOU to judge ANYBODY'S religious faith?
"phony arse squeaky voiced diva"
Really?...and you're gonna judge other people?
"phony arse squeaky voiced diva"
Really?...and you're gonna judge other people?
Posted on 9/21/22 at 9:55 am to BigPaintedInOrange
Ah Bible thread. We all know how this will go
Posted on 9/21/22 at 9:59 am to FooManChoo
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“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you."
The example Jesus gives of such practice is the hypocritical gestures that the Jews of the time were doing where they were drawing attention to themselves for the sake of boosting their own image and reputation in the eyes of the people. "Giving in secret" was commanded in contrast to drawing attention to yourself publicly for your gifts of service. The Bible teaches us that all glory should go to God (1 Cor. 10:31), and when we make a spectacle out of ourselves for the purpose of our own glory, we're robbing God of what belongs to Him.
So, should we pray alone, or out in the streets?
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:02 am to Teague
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So, should we pray alone, or out in the streets?
You should pray in such a way as to please God. Sometimes this will be in secret. Sometimes in public.
But if you are doing it to get attention, then the prayer is not to please God but to get benifit for yourself.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:05 am to weremoose
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You should pray in such a way as to please God. Sometimes this will be in secret. Sometimes in public.
No, no, no. It's right there in the non-contradictory bible. I just need you to explain the divine, inspired word of god to me, because to me, the less-practiced in explaining away the inconsistencies, it's not clear.
What does god say I should do? Should I pray in secret, or shout it to the world?
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:06 am to Teague
quote:The Bible actually tells us to do BOTH.
So, should we pray alone, or out in the streets?
I'm just guessing, but I'd think that God doesn't really care where you pray, as long as it's with a pure and contrite heart.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:08 am to coachcrisp
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God doesn't really care
Nailed it. Full stop. No need to say more. /thread
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:08 am to Teague
Do you really not understand how situations affect your actions?
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:15 am to texag7
I'm just enjoying all the muh buhleefs butthurt. People get too riled up about what some random stranger believes or doesn't, Christian, atheist or otherwise. If someone "knows" they're right then what does it matter what someone else thinks? Insecurity or perceived superiority..
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:17 am to weremoose
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Do you really not understand how situations affect your actions?
I do, but I don't understand how we should pray. In secret, or in the streets? It seems to me that people probably haven't changed much, so the bible should still apply. I just don't know which passage applies.
Anyway, I'm not actually interested in the replies. I know some of you guys have practiced your defenses for the nonsense, and that most have never and don't want to consider that it's a cobbled together book of hand-me-down myths. That doesn't mean there's nothing worthwhile in the book, but there's nothing revolutionary there that hasn't been considered by every other civilized society.
Sorry for getting off an a fable tangent. Y'all enjoy your day. Toodles.
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 10:21 am
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:18 am to Starkvingard
In my case, because we have someone spouting nonsense about it. If you have someone who is already struggling with their faith, they may believe the nonsense and further lose their faith.
So I have a responsibility to refute the nonsense.
So I have a responsibility to refute the nonsense.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:20 am to weremoose
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:20 am to Teague
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I don't understand how we should pray. In secret, or in the streets
You don't understand because you're hung up on the what. The Bible doesn't particularly care about "what" when it comes to matters of worship. It cares about "why".
So should you pray in the streets? Yes. If your motivation is to glorify God. Should you pray in secret? Yes. If your motivation is to glorify God. If your motivation us to glorify yourself, you shouldn't pray regardless of the location.
One thing to consider when handling scripture - especially the Gosple accounts - is that this is a real moment in time which has been recorded. In the passage where Christ seemingly forbids public prayer, you had religious leaders who were trying to gain political power by out-righteousing each other. It was this attempt to manipulate the masses which Christ was condemning. Not the actions themselves.
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:24 am to weremoose
Or maybe God is using the person talking "nonsense" to test others' faith, as he constantly does in the Bible. While I don't agree with him overall, he does have a good point. You can find scripture to back up just about any subjective reasoning (obviously nothing supporting outright evil). You can use the Bible to say he's a heathen and so on and also argue that God is using him with or without him knowing to test someone's faith. God used evil entities to test the faith of man countless times.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:24 am to BigPaintedInOrange
Okay, if this dude is such a saint, why did he go play for Tennessee?
Riddle me that cranky vol nation.
Riddle me that cranky vol nation.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 10:25 am to Starkvingard
God used evil entities to test the faith of man countless times.
Yep they are called women......
Yep they are called women......
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