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re: Harsin’s scheme simply doesn’t fit with Auburn’s personnel
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:02 pm to macjonesgoat
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:02 pm to macjonesgoat
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The honey badger killed it on punts and kickoffs and so did the rest of y'alls team.
Honey badger didn’t return a single kick or punt that night.
Neither team returned a punt for a positive gain, and Alabama out-performed LSU on kickoff returns by a wide margin.
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Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:03 pm to Irons Puppet
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Based on your fricking expertise. LOL
Yes.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:04 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I think that’s a great strategy if your goal as a program is to have a winning season and occasionally be ranked. It’s a pretty crummy one if the guy before you got ran off for only winning his division twice.
Oh I agree. I just thought it was an interesting perspective on the subject. In practice, I think even if it's executed to perfection it'll produce a couple of bad seasons to start followed by consistent 8-9 win seasons afterwards when they get old and stay old. So none of the downside of Gus, but none of the upside either.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:04 pm to macjonesgoat
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LSU's elite special teams were part of the reason for the shorter field goals though.
Brad Wing had a special night punting with the 73 yard punt that completely flipped the field
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The honey badger killed it on punts and kickoffs and so did the rest of y'alls team.
Mathieu didn't do anything in the return game, though. He didn't return kicks in 2011. And Odell Beckham is the only player who tried to return a punt that night, and it was for no gain.
Claiborne baited McCarron into a pick leading to one FG, and Jefferson found Shepard for a long pass completion for a FG right before half. Reid had that pick and a blocked FG early. But really most of that game was just two offenses not moving the ball at all. Neither team had 300 yards of offense, and neither team had even 20 first downs in the game.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:06 pm to Robot Santa
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Oh I agree. I just thought it was an interesting perspective on the subject. In practice, I think even if it's executed to perfection it'll produce a couple of bad seasons to start followed by consistent 8-9 win seasons afterwards when they get old and stay old. So none of the downside of Gus, but none of the upside either.
Spot on, IMO
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:12 pm to lsufball19
No I meant when LSU was punting/kicking not returns. Not just in his/the team' ability to keep return yardage low, but also saving punts from turning into touchbacks. The defenses were elite so of course it is difficult to get first downs.
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This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:14 pm to Jacknola
I imagine if Auburn ends up forfeiting a home game he'd be shitcanned with cause. But I also imagine they have something in place to make sure that doesn't happen. Surely they're not just letting luck decide it all?
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:15 pm to lsufball19
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Mathieu didn't do anything in the return game, though. He didn't return kicks in 2011.
I seem to remember a 2011 SECCG where he returned the shite out of a kick vs UGA and flipped the momentum of the entire game.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:16 pm to Drebin
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drop down into splits, pop back up, and moonwalk into formation
I was at the scrimmage last week. This is not far removed from our base offense. The amount of pirouettes performed Presnap is amazing. I got vertigo just watching. Several defensive players had to be carried off the field secondary to vestibular issues. We may not be able to beat Akron, but we will use presnap motions on almost every play.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:18 pm to Robot Santa
Really? He didn't recruit like that at Texas. He still went after highly ranked guys. That is definitely not a good fit for Auburn/the SEC. Every single national champion has had stacked recruiting classes. Like he could definitely take some games off of the less prepared teams, but he's not beating Bama like that...
His offense actually completely shite the bed against OU both years he was here. He should have better personnel at Auburn though than we did those years.
His offense actually completely shite the bed against OU both years he was here. He should have better personnel at Auburn though than we did those years.
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:18 pm to makersmark1
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The amount of pirouettes performed Presnap is amazing. I got vertigo just watching. Several defensive players had to be carried off the field secondary to vestibular issues.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:22 pm to deeprig9
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I seem to remember a 2011 SECCG where he returned the shite out of a kick vs UGA and flipped the momentum of the entire game.
that was a punt return
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:24 pm to Robot Santa
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I saw an interesting perspective on Harsin's recruiting from a guy on Reddit who I am pretty sure works for one of the recruiting websites. He's an Alabama fan too, so it's definitely not sunshine pumping. The gist of it was that Harsin wants to run a program similar to what Dave Clawson has at Wake Forest or Pat Fitzgerald has at Northwestern, and his recruiting has gone pretty well so far based on what kind of player he wants to sign. He doesn't want kids with big egos or an eye on the NFL from the day they step on campus. Just kids who really want to be there and plan to stay and work hard for 4 years.
Personally I just don't see that working out in the SEC though.
I don't think that's the long term strategy. It may have been what he thought he had to do this year based on the circumstances - i.e. being brand new to the region and not being able to actually meet kids and have them on campus until June and knowing he was behind the 8 ball in that sense - but if you look at the offers we have out for 2023, it's not a bunch of 3 star, "blue collar" kids.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:25 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Harsin’s scheme simply doesn’t fit with Auburn’s personnel
*Provides gif of whirlybird*
Does not compute.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:31 pm to FearlessFreep
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Good point, except that you can hardly call what Gustav has been running the past few seasons a 'zone spread' offense. And to the extent it still had elements of that scheme, he had recruited guys that didn't fit (like the half dozen or so TEs on the roster he hardly every used).
Somehow that's lost on some people. Gus has always been a run first offense. Is it exactly what Harsin wants to do? No, but it's definitely a downhill offense in the sense that it's always been predicated on the run.
Now, what his base offense evolved into over the last few years, I couldn't tell you, but if you go back and look at his first stint as OC and then the first few years as head coach, it's not really a "spread" offense. It's a run first, play action offense, with all kinds of other elements sprinkled in - motion, misdirection, gadget plays etc.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:32 pm to Tuscaloosa
Eh I feel like the Boise St offense has been successful because it can adequately do both down hill runs and formation out-flanking stuff. It is similar to the McElwain offense in that regard.
I think the passing offense is going to be the inconsistency. They ought to be a pretty solid run offense in 2021.
I think the passing offense is going to be the inconsistency. They ought to be a pretty solid run offense in 2021.
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:32 pm to Farmer1906
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If not they'll enter a Tennessee type cycle until they find the right guy.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:40 pm to Tuscaloosa
15-0 Ship! 
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:43 pm to Tuscaloosa
Interesting to find a gif of our new coach going up by 3 TDs against Oregon with a Mountain west program and using it to say he’s gonna fail.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:44 pm to FearlessFreep
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FearlessFreep
If you understood the real reason behind Moorhead's removal, you'd also grasp the astounding level of dumbassery that this post entails.
Even still, we didn't just fire a guy with a Natty and multiple 10 win seasons because we didn't like his offense. We never courted a new coach in an airport meeting behind the back of our sitting coach. We never had a coach shortly after a perfect season get run out of town who later complained that he had to tell his players that he couldn't meet payroll.
Self-awareness is something you should really look into.
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 3:45 pm
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