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re: Grier has filed appeal, says substance was approved by NCAA (update in OP)
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
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If he argues that the school is giving incorrect information to athletes about what they can/can't take or handed him a banned substance and told him it was ok, that could open a HUGE can of worms for Florida's staff in regards to what they're giving their players.
If it was the school that gave him incorrect info, then that would be his best possible argument. Though I agree with you -- it opens Florida up to questions from NCAA. Maybe they just find a scapegoat in their compliance department and it ends up being a minor secondary violation. Grier gets off with time served and comes back just in time to play FSU and the SECCG. That's probably the dream scenario. I doubt the NCAA moves that fast though. This isn't Cam Newton we're talking about.
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:15 pm to joshnorris14
Losing half of next season as well does seem too severe.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:15 pm to BrerTiger
They won't let him play this year. If they do, I'm going to be in shock needing some smelly salts.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:16 pm to higgs_boson
not only that he comes back as a junior instead of sophmore
they pretty much raped him
they pretty much raped him
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:16 pm to austingator
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It isn't argued that the staff told him wrong, or gave him the substance this year. But apparently it was okayed the prior year.
So you're saying the staff didn't clearly communicate the change in status of the supplement to him?
Sounds like:
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So either the NCAA didn't include the change or your staff is incompetent.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:17 pm to gatortrav88
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not only that he comes back as a junior instead of sophmore
they pretty much raped him
This was announced as erroneous information.
He will come back as a redshirt sophomore next year (midseason) regardless of the appeal.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:17 pm to austingator
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They won't let him play this year. If they do, I'm going to be in shock needing some smelly salts.
Yeah, I think realistically they let keep him out the rest of 2015 and he's back after the bowls are done.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:17 pm to joshnorris14
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Appealing on the basis he was given the info that the substance wasn't banned.
ignorance will not win an appeal
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:19 pm to joshnorris14
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Morgan and Morgan law firm
so he hired ambulance chasers to fight the NCAAPosted on 11/4/15 at 12:19 pm to higgs_boson
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Losing half of next season as well does seem too severe.
Indeed.
Unless they have some proof that he knew it was banned and took it anyway. In which case, no sympathy from me.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:19 pm to austingator
The melt here if he's reinstated early will be glorious.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:21 pm to roadGator
Especially if it's just in time for the SEC Championship
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:21 pm to roadGator
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The melt here if he's reinstated early will be glorious.
It will be nothing compared to 2010 Cam Newton.
Maybe if he's reinstated hours or days before the FSU game or the SECCG. Maybe.
GNC supplement story pales in comparison to daddy shopped me around for $200k.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:23 pm to austingator
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It isn't argued that the staff told him wrong, or gave him the substance this year. But apparently it was okayed the prior year.
It says in big, bold, red letters on the NCAA Banned Substance page:
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It is your responsibility to check with the appropriate or designated athletics staff
before using any substance.
It also says (and says it on the 14-15 page as well):
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NCAA Nutritional/Dietary Supplements Warning:
Before consuming any nutritional/dietary supplement product, review the product with the appropriate or designated athletics department staff. There are no NCAA approved supplement products.
1.Dietary supplements, including vitamins and minerals, are not well regulated and may cause a positive drug test result.
2.Student-athletes have tested positive and lost their eligibility from using dietary supplements
3.Many dietary supplements are contaminated with banned drugs not listed on the label.
4.Any product containing a dietary supplement ingredient is taken at your own risk.
I think #2 and #3 will be most relevant here is he claims he didn't know the substance was in the supplement he took. And the NCAA makes it pretty clear their expectations are for you and your program to stay up on what's banned and what isn't on an annual basis, as it does change (see limitations with Creatine compared to when it went on the market).
They even have to report to the NCAA if they take Adderall or other ADHD meds so they don't get hit with a bad piss test. They have to get approval for anything like that.
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Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:23 pm to MrGrind
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He was listed at 172 at a camp in may 2012 (20 months before enrolling). He was listed at 181 Jan 2014 and 215 in Aug 2015.
Sooooo.... You're wrong.
Does it really matter?
Grier doesn't dispute taking the supplement.
His only dispute is that he claims he was told it was approved.
Impossible for us to figure out how much the supplement aided his growth but again, it doesn't really matter. The issue at hand is his eligibility.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:25 pm to gatortrav88
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ope a full year and taking a year eligibility is a harsh arse punishment
They didn't take a year of eligibility, dipshit.
fricking gator fans, is it the swamp gases making you this retarded?
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:25 pm to BrerTiger
It only matters to the goobers that continue to believe false information.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:27 pm to BrerTiger
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Impossible for us to figure out how much the supplement aided his growth but again, it doesn't really matter. The issue at hand is his eligibility.
this is what Florida fans don't seem to get. They are spending all their time defending his weight gain. Who cares? Grier admitted using a banned substance. All that really matters at this point is whether the NCAA accept the affirmative defense of ignorance, which, unless you're Ryan Braun, has never worked at any level of athletics.
Posted on 11/4/15 at 12:28 pm to BluegrassBelle
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There are no NCAA approved supplement products.
Well, that is interesting.
Really, his only out is "I checked with Florida staffers and they told me I could take it."
I'm guessing the AD and Mac had to give their blessing before allowing Grier to pursue this line of defense and have determined getting Grier back is worth more than whatever repercussions come back from NCAA re: compliance policies and procedures at Florida.
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4.Any product containing a dietary supplement ingredient is taken at your own risk.
Guess they didn't make that clear enough.
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