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re: God, I love Sun Belt Billy
Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:42 am to Dawgfanman
Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:42 am to Dawgfanman
quote:yep - Kirby has made some bad decisions, but none as bone crushingly bad as this one
I don’t recall a single time we’ve gone for it on 4th, from our 35, in a game we where we were down by 3 at the beginning of the second qtr
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:43 am to BranchDawg
If the back just jabs left and runs to the right, it’s a TD. Butt, the play design was left. Just SBB’s luck of the draw. 
Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:44 am to meansonny
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Here's the fallacy with the complaint.
1) who wins the line of scrimmage? Is it the offense or defense?
2) If it is the offense, then the snap shouldn't matter.
If it is the defense, then the snap shouldn't matter.
3) If it is neutral at the line (no side wins)... which option do you think works best? The running back with a 5 yard head full of steam? Or 2 yard head full of steam?
The only part that I haven't covered is if half of the line wins and half of the line loses. The mush rush may (or may not) be a better option. It is no different than rolling dice.
I suspect the QB simply driving ahead is the highest % play in that situation at all levels of football. It certainly does not make sense to be inches from a first down and move the ball voluntarily 2 yards further from the first down marker.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:44 am to Dawgfanman
We have gone for it about 6 times this season.
16 times last season.
I would guess about 3 of them were on our side of the field.
Like I said... it gets forgotten when you convert and put up points.
We had awful games on 4th down against LSU 2018 and South Carolina 2019. Those losses most definitely standout.
16 times last season.
I would guess about 3 of them were on our side of the field.
Like I said... it gets forgotten when you convert and put up points.
We had awful games on 4th down against LSU 2018 and South Carolina 2019. Those losses most definitely standout.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:44 am to Dawgfanman
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I don’t recall a single time we’ve gone for it on 4th, from our 35, in a game we where we were down by 3 at the beginning of the second qtr.
Which game was that?
It ain't happened.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:46 am to AwgustaDawg
If the defense penetrates, the QB doesn't get it... even on the QB sneak.
I love the QB sneak. Stetson was awful up the middle. Carson has been perfect. And we do it a lot.
But a lot of it has to do with penetration. It is more on the OL than on the ballcatrier/formation
I love the QB sneak. Stetson was awful up the middle. Carson has been perfect. And we do it a lot.
But a lot of it has to do with penetration. It is more on the OL than on the ballcatrier/formation
Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:48 am to spslayto
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Lots of teams are doing this. Frustrating as a fan cause a few inches seems so easy to get lined up under center.
there is a world
of difference between just a normal shotgun run and this.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:55 am to dcbl
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yep - Kirby has made some bad decisions, but none as bone crushingly bad as this one
The more you coach, the more bad decisions you will make. The more successful you are, the more you get to coach. Just part of the business is eating shite every so often.
I can’t fault Napier, it was a clever play. UGA’s defenders were just too disciplined and prepared to fall for it.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 8:59 am to Diego Ricardo
The problem with execution on these trick plays is speed.
You have to snap quickly to prevent someone from keying something to alert.
The play needs to be a quick hitter for pretty much the same reason.
The fact that the receiving target was the H Back on a split zone action is probably the most questionable part about the playcall. It takes time to drag across the formation and release.
Defenders were obviously keying on the running back in 4th and short. The desired receiving target should have been a quicker route.
You have to snap quickly to prevent someone from keying something to alert.
The play needs to be a quick hitter for pretty much the same reason.
The fact that the receiving target was the H Back on a split zone action is probably the most questionable part about the playcall. It takes time to drag across the formation and release.
Defenders were obviously keying on the running back in 4th and short. The desired receiving target should have been a quicker route.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:16 am to meansonny
I feel like in these scenarios you are better off lining up in some overload formation and betting that you can win against a lighter body on the edge on a toss. That is, if you don’t trust your interior line to just create a yard of movement.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:20 am to meansonny
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We have gone for it about 6 times this season. 16 times last season. I would guess about 3 of them were on our side of the field. Like I said... it gets forgotten when you convert and put up points. We had awful games on 4th down against LSU 2018 and South Carolina 2019. Those losses most definitely standout.
Just too early in the game to go all in with such a weak hand. Not enough to gain and too much to lose.
He traded the possibility of a first down for the guarantee of giving up at least 3
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:25 am to finchmeister08
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the previous play review sealed the fate of this play and unfortunately the game as well. never recovered after this.
I was halfway paying attention at this point... Seemed like Florida got jobbed on that review/spot.
Sunbelt Billy was trying to be aggressive, it's a sign in the first half when you're doing this: it means you think you have to take chances to win. (See Saban in the 1st half of the 2019 LSU game.)
I agree the call itself was low percentage compared to a good ole QB sneak and push.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:28 am to clamdip
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I agree the call itself was low percentage compared to a good ole QB sneak and push.
Was not a good call, but Florida's OL is pretty poor, especially against a talented DL like Georgia's.
Maybe he didn't trust the OL to get enough push?
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:20 am to BranchDawg
One of the worst play calls I’ve ever seen.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:50 am to Dawgfanman
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It’s the beginning of the second quarter. You are only down 3, on your own 35…why the frick are you going for it?
Because you're scared. The problem is he let his team know that too with that stupid call.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:53 am to Rex Feral
Kirby obviously stole the signs. Time to start checking SEC games for Uga plants
Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:03 am to Dawgfanman
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Just too early in the game to go all in with such a weak hand. Not enough to gain and too much to lose.
He traded the possibility of a first down for the guarantee of giving up at least 3
You are absolutely making the argument for me.
What was the spread?
Was 3 points the difference in the game?
Or did sun belt Billy need to manufacture about 20 points (off of turnovers, 4th down conversions, special teams plays, etc..).
You either play to win.
Or you play to cover.
The problem with the play was that the design was too slow.
The H Back is faking a very slow block (split zone action). We are in zone coverage and the entire defense had eyes on the RB to identify who had the ball and the pass. By the time we were affecting a potential throw, the receiver hasn't even turned to catch the throw yet.
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 11:05 am
Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:12 am to BranchDawg
He probably could of jumped over the pile and got it. Terrible call for sure i don't think it should of been overturned it waso close the indisputable evidence wasn't there.
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