re: Game over for Cam, as far as eligibility is concerned

That's the $200,000 question. AU will certainly appeal for reinstatement, and I have no idea how long that will take. Granted, if they have enough evidence to declare him ineligible mid-season, and also in light of the fact that AU played him despite his eligibility questions, I doubt they'll win.


tl;dr = I have no idea, and I doubt anyone else does either.

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So if he's ruled ineligible before the season ends, will their wins be forfeited or vacated?

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No clue.

Knee jerk says forfeit.

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My guess is no ruling regarding games he played in will be made until the investigation and hearing in front of the infractions committee is completed. If they rule him ineligible now, he sits and AU seeks reinstatement. BTW, according to the NCAA spokesperson, the penalty for Cecil's solicitation isn't automatically that Cam is ineligible. FWIW.

NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn declined to discuss the specifics of the Newton allegations, but said in general that solicitation of benefits by a student-athlete's family is an NCAA violation. Osburn said the potential penalties for such a violation depend on multiple factors, including the "level of the benefit" being sought and the level of responsibility of the student-athlete.

Osburn said that if a university is not deemed culpable in such an instance, "then it is only a student-athlete eligibility issue." If a violation did occur and the athlete is ruled ineligible, he could appeal for reinstatement.

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including the "level of the benefit" being sought

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180K

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Osburn said that if a university is not deemed culpable in such an instance, "then it is only a student-athlete eligibility issue."

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Right. No sanctions. . .just a lost season.

I hope that is the extent of what happens, bro.

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Aubie Spr96

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Wow, you're a terrible poster. It's actually kind of amazing.

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I guess the difference is he would have to be officially ruled ineligible for the wins to be vacated/forfeited. And you know Auburn is playing Cam until it is official.

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yup

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WDE24

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I may be dumb but walk me through this

You posted this

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If they rule him ineligible now, he sits and AU seeks reinstatement. BTW, according to the NCAA spokesperson, the penalty for Cecil's solicitation isn't automatically that Cam is ineligible. FWIW.

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Then you quoted this from an NCAA official

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NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn declined to discuss the specifics of the Newton allegations, but said in general that solicitation of benefits by a student-athlete's family is an NCAA violation. Osburn said the potential penalties for such a violation depend on multiple factors, including the "level of the benefit" being sought and the level of responsibility of the student-athlete.

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I take that to mean if Cecil asked for money then it is an NCAA violation.

Then you posted this

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Osburn said that if a university is not deemed culpable in such an instance, "then it is only a student-athlete eligibility issue." If a violation did occur and the athlete is ruled ineligible, he could appeal for reinstatement.

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Which I take as if Auburn is found completely unaware of this and nothing happened with Auburn then we won't come down on them with probation, lost schollies, or death penalty. However, I still gather from that that it is still an issue of whether Cam was eligible to play a NCAA sanctioned football game after his dad asked from money from State.

So lets make some assumptions here and they are pretty decent ones I think.

1. The new stuff that just came out from Bell is true and he has texts and voice mails with a pay for play scheme that came from Cecil Newton (Cam's family member btw)

Then the following applies to what we have here:

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NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn declined to discuss the specifics of the Newton allegations, but said in general that solicitation of benefits by a student-athlete's family is an NCAA violation.

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2. Let's assume Auburn did nothing wrong here.

Which means the following apply:

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Osburn said that if a university is not deemed culpable in such an instance, "then it is only a student-athlete eligibility issue." If a violation did occur and the athlete is ruled ineligible, he could appeal for reinstatement.

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Now lets go back to your original quote:

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If they rule him ineligible now, he sits and AU seeks reinstatement. BTW, according to the NCAA spokesperson, the penalty for Cecil's solicitation isn't automatically that Cam is ineligible. FWIW.

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So if you say that ineligibility is not the punishment and AU is in the clear (aka no punishment for AU) then what is the punishment for the NCAA violation that the NCAA rep clearly laid out???

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This shite has been known all the time and AU/NCAA has known this for a while and Cam's still playing.

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Don't think so my man. Chizik and Jacobs were all over the place defending Cam up until last Thursday. Now all you get out of AU's camp is "no comment". You remember what happened last Thursday, right?

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Wow, you're a terrible poster. It's actually kind of amazing.

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How so? Because I ask for facts? This whole thread was Bama fans jumping to conclusions about eligibility. More circle jerking.

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“I can’t think of a single case in which the NCAA has even attempted to penalize a school or individual for solicitation of an extra benefit. The solicitation and the circumstances surrounding it are often used as circumstantial evidence to prove that a violation involving extra benefits occurred — but not the solicitation itself.”

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Here's the quote again for the millionth time from Don Jackson (leading NCAA attorney) rendering his opinion on the matter.

It all looks REALLY BAD for Auburn right now, but at least stick to the facts. People have been saying that Cam would be ruled ineligible for weeks now. The NCAA has known for MONTHS about the supposed solicitation. How does today's revelation change anything? Seriously? I really want to know how this changes anything.

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Right now Cam is eligible because he is not playing at MSU if he was at MSU he would been ruled ineligible as soon as these allegations came out.

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Why would he be eligible to play at one school and not the other.....solicitation of benefits by a family member is a NCAA violation from what I gather, which I would think renders him ineligible from competing in NCAA sanctioned events anywhere.....if he is ruled ineligible.