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re: Fun fact: Orgeron becomes 6th active coach to win NC. Half of them won 1 at LSU
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:00 am to John Milner
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:00 am to John Milner
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Saban the way so many LSU fans do, you should be thanking the lucky stars that he was there long enough to build your program
You show a lack of understanding of LSU football. Dinardo started this process, not Saban. Saban was the beneficiary of what had already started. If Kevin Faulk does not come to LSU, then Saban would not have been attracked to the prospect. Dinardo started it, got fired because of Lou Tepper. Saban took it from there an invested in the program and won the first natty in 40+ years. Then Les took the program to a new height for a while, won a natty, then proceeded to stagnate for better part of a decade. The Ed O along with a lot of administration that is now focused on winning football has brought it to a new level.
Saban had his part and it was a big part in 2001 - 2005 but his fingerprint on this program has long faded.
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:01 am to John Milner
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If LSU made Les Miles a national title winning coach, why did they fire him?
You keep harping on this. It’s because he refused to change with the times not because LSU wasn’t a good place to coach. This is a confusing hill to die on.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:08 am to FreddieMac
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Dinardo started this process, not Saban
So why did they fire Dinardo? Morever and primarily, why did none of the coaches between the 1950s and Nick Saban win national titles?
Please answer each question.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:12 am to America1776
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It’s because he refused to change with the times not because LSU wasn’t a good place to coach. This is a confusing hill to die on.
at no point and nowhere did I say that LSU isn't a good place to coach. I said no coaches won between the 1950s and Nick Saban. That's certifiable.
This is confusing that you're so confused.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:15 am to John Milner
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Nick Saban built the program and Les Miles won a title with Saban's players. If Les Miles or LSU was the reason they won that year, then why did LSU eventually fire him?
Weird cause I couldve swore that Les Miles went undefeated several years later and went to the national championship game.
Miles didnt want to change his offense at a time when everyone was moving toward the offensive type showings you see today. You cant win consistently by being a ground and pound team these days.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:15 am to magildachunks
late to the party - again.
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 9:38 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:16 am to John Milner
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So why did they fire Dinardo? Morever and primarily, why did none of the coaches between the 1950s and Nick Saban win national titles?
Dinardo did a lot of things, including getting some of the Louisiana players to stay home and come to LSU starting with Kevin Faulk. He went to 3 straight bowls after 6 losing seasons. His downfall began after hiring Lou Tepper and the defense just imploded. Under his watch, he made improvements to LSU facilities, including a new weight room, the media room at Tiger Stadium, and the expansion of Tiger Stadium to over 90,000.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:18 am to John Milner
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John Milner
Bama is a good program too.
There's your validation. You may go now.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:26 am to FreddieMac
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Dinardo started this process, not Saban.
Yeah, those 4 and 3 win seasons he had before Saban came to LSU really got things going.
Dumbass.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:29 am to 3down10
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Yeah, those 4 and 3 win seasons he had before Saban came to LSU really got things going.
Dumbass.
Well...hes right.
Dumbass.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:33 am to magildachunks
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Well...hes right.
Dumbass.
You guys are funny as frick.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:47 am to John Milner
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Instead of trash talking Saban the way so many LSU fans do, you should be thanking the lucky stars that he was there long enough to build your program, because till he came there LSU had won only 1 national title, and that back in the 1950s.
I am forever grateful to Nick Saban for his role in bringing a national championship at LSU and setting the foundation for further success. But I'm also grateful to Les Miles and Ed Orgeron for their roles, too. And with Nick Saban at Alabama, I root for him to lose almost every game. It's not personal, it's business. If he coached at Tennessee, I would not feel the same because h would not be with a division rival.
And, as a Saints fan, that's also my attitude toward Joe Brady. I'm forever grateful he was here to help bring a national championship to LSU. He has joined Carolina, a Saints division foe, and I will now root for him to lose almost every game because that benefits the Saints. Nothing personal, just business.
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 9:48 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:50 am to John Milner
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Instead of trash talking Saban the way so many LSU fans do, you should be thanking the lucky stars that he was there long enough to build your program,
Get out of here with that shite. We are both thankful for him building what he built here and frick you for being at Alabama. The joy of life is that it’s complex enough to permit for both.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:53 am to John Milner
Saban was able to be successful because he is a great coach and recruiter, but he also ended up a school that had the talent and resources to make success happen. It’s a combination of circumstances, being the right person in the right place at the time. Why didn’t Saban win a NC at MIchigan State (he even lost to Dinardo’s LSU team)? Why did Saban choose to leave Miami for Alabama? He knew that Bama had the potential to attract talent and had resources necessary for success. MIles won an NC at LSU, that he didn’t win at Okie State. He won because he was a really good coach in the right place at the right time with the right talent. He got fired because he wouldn’t change his offense. O succeeded this year because he is a better coach than he gets credit for, but he was in the right place at the right time, is a great recruiter in a talent rich recruiting pool, and isn’t too stubborn to change.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:55 am to Stretch Suba
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I am forever grateful to Nick Saban for his role in bringing a national championship at LSU and setting the foundation for further success.
Thanks for responding directly to the comment.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:58 am to 3down10
Lol this guy doesn’t think Dinardo played a huge role in LSU’s turnaround. Without him Saban might never have gotten the talent that he won with. It wasn’t cool to go to LSU before Dinardo. Without that talent Saban migh never have blown up as a big time coach and went to Miami and then Bama. You can make an argument that everything Saban has done since, even his success at Bama can be traced to the groundwork put in by Dinardo.
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:01 am to John Milner
Except that he didn’t build the foundation he just built on top of it.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:07 am to OGtigerfan87
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Lol this guy doesn’t think Dinardo played a huge role in LSU’s turnaround. Without him Saban might never have gotten the talent that he won with. It wasn’t cool to go to LSU before Dinardo. Without that talent Saban migh never have blown up as a big time coach and went to Miami and then Bama. You can make an argument that everything Saban has done since, even his success at Bama can be traced to the groundwork put in by Dinardo.
Yes, please tell me more about how the coach who only had 3 winning seasons in his entire football career and was fired before 3 seasons before the 2003 NC season had such a huge effect.
I guess this also means Mike Shula is extremely responsible for Alabama's 2009 NC? Said nobody ever.
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 10:08 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:12 am to 3down10
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Yes, please tell me more about how the coach who only had 3 winning seasons in his entire football career and was fired before 3 seasons before the 2003 NC season had such a huge effect.
He was fired after the 99 season.
So I guess you could say Saban won with Dinardo's players.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:14 am to John Milner
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Instead of trash talking Saban the way so many LSU fans do, you should be thanking the lucky stars that he was there long enough to build your program, because till he came there LSU had won only 1 national title, and that back in the 1950s.
I guess Saban should be thanking his lucky stars LSU gave him the platform he didn't have in East Lansing too right?
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