re: Fun fact: Orgeron becomes 6th active coach to win NC. Half of them won 1 at LSU

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You guys want to credit 6 win DiNardo with it because you'll do damn near anything to avoid giving Saban any credit.

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No, we credit Dinardo for getting the ball rolling on locking down the state in recruiting which was the biggest problem for years. We credit Dinardo and the LSU admin for also getting the ball rolling, prior to Saban's arrival, of investing tens of millions of dollars into the program and its facilities. Do you really think Saban would have taken the job if LSU was in the same state it was when Dinardo took over in 1995?

No LSU fans refuse to give Saban any credit. They don't, however, give him 100% of the credit, which for some reason you just can't stand to hear.

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.The point is it's a two-way street. Before he came to LSU his winning percentage was in the sixties and he had zero national championships.


no. The point is that no LSU coach between the 1950s and Nick Saban won national titles. Why didn't Dinardo, Archer, Arnsparger win titles?

Nick Saban built the program and Les Miles won a title with Saban's players. If Les Miles or LSU was the reason they won that year, then why did LSU eventually fire him?

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LSU suffered in the 90's for 1) Bad hires and 2) An Administration that was all trying to dictate how much could be spent on Assistants, recruiting budgets, facilities. During the 90's LSU ticket prices were controlled by the damn LA Legislature and had to signed off by the Governor. How stupid was that. TAF was not created at LSU until 1984 and did not have control over LSU tickets and fundraising for Sports till late 90's I believe. LSU won a title under Miles in year 3 of his tenure, and played for another one in 2011 as you well know. This team won it in 2019, are those Saban's players as well.

Miles got fired because of being stubborn as a Mule regarding adjusting to modern offensive football. Miles got himself fired.

And the fact remains, LSU has won 3 NC's with its last 3 coaches. Saban in 2003, Miles in 2007 and O in 2019. The last program to do that was Miami in the "U era" with Howard Schnellenberger in 1983, Jimmy Johnson in 1987 and Dennis Erickson in 1991 and 1993. Butch Davis did not win one because he left for the NFL so Coker was the coach of the 2001 Miami team.

Those are the Facts. So yes it is a two way street, Mike Archer and Curly Hallman type coaches are not going to get hired anymore at LSU.

You forgot Scott Frost.

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No, we credit Dinardo for getting the ball rolling on locking down the state in recruiting which was the biggest problem for years. We credit Dinardo and the LSU admin for also getting the ball rolling, prior to Saban's arrival, of investing tens of millions of dollars into the program and its facilities. Do you really think Saban would have taken the job if LSU was in the same state it was when Dinardo took over in 1995?

No LSU fans refuse to give Saban any credit. They don't, however, give him 100% of the credit, which for some reason you just can't stand to hear.

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Under Curley Hallman, top LA HS recruits were going to Colorado, Michigan, FLorida State, Nebraska, Notre Dame back in the late 80's and early 90's. DiNardo getting Kevin Faulk and Boog McFarland to sign in his first class in 95 sort of turned the in-state recruiting around. LSU had a talented roster when Saban got here in 2000, top 10 type talent, just did not know how to win and do things the right way. Saban won with that talent (SEC title andA Sugar Bowl his 2nd year in 2001) and elevated LSU to a top 5 type recruiting talent roster.

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Pretty sure Saban's influence on LSU after he left was felt in many more areas than the players on the field. The next Alabama coach will get that same benefit.

If any LSU fans had a real clue, they'd say it started with Emmert, who is the one who hired Saban and got LSU to open up it's wallet to pay for the things that's needed instead of being cheap asses.

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There is merit what you wrote. Emmert was the first LSU President to come in and say to hell with the good ole boys and Politicians. Joe Dean wanted to balk on $100,000 of salary when dealing with Saban because the horror of saying we are paying $1 million to hire a coach. Emmert told Dean to kick rocks and he hired Saban. So you are correct on that point.

Saban had a President in Emmert who understood the LA culture better than some natives, that if football does well, it is going to make fund raising for every other thing exponentially easier. So facilities improved, money allocated to football assistants went up, academic and medical and training support facilities were put in place, etc.

So you are indeed correct. But it is not just either or, DiNardo recruited significantly better than his 2 predecessors in Hallman and Archer. It is an "and". There were some really good players on LSU's rosters during DiNardo's tenure and some left on the roster when Saban got here.