re: Former Alabama player Quinton Dial showing off his patriotic side tonight

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Nothing has changed.

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Really? Really, bruh?

We've had a two term African American president. We've had, for 8 straight years, African Americans as attorney general. In cities like Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago and many more you've had the same party in power for decades. Let's stop choosing to only look at one side of this coin and let's start examining where else some blame for the situation could/should fall. Elected officials - often elected on the PROMISE of change - have done little to change the situation, rather they've maintained the situation.

Wellza yazza pig dick...Izza that bettuh pig breath?

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No, you are missing the point. He stayed on message. He didn't pursue protests that made him appear the aggressor or suggested he hated the US. He instead suggested that his goal was merely to help the country live up to its ideals. CK said he didn't support the US.

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This entire post is full of fallacies. Stop making sh*t up

Just because its peaceful doesn't mean I have to like it. If someone walks down the street with a Nazi flag or in Klan robes are you and I supposed to be giddy that it is peaceful?

I am actually a perfect example of what is wrong with how the CK of the world approach the issues. When people first said that cops killing black men when they didn't have to or policing in a way that invited such incidents, that was something I could get behind. I was interested. When BLM told white people they couldn't come to meetings, or defended guys who were clearly in the wrong, or disrespect the flag for attention, it is a turn off. Don't criticize me for turning my back on that group because they won't act right.

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It's not THAT he's sitting/kneeling. It's WHEN he's sitting/kneeling that bothers people.

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I think it's both, a lot of people just use the latter to avoid discussing the former.

Just my impression. It's easier to dismiss his actions than it is to dismiss the reasons for his actions.

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that is NOT what they think the flag stands for.

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It stands for something different for everyone. This country has a very long history of oppressing and subjogating the black race and people of color, so to him that's what the flag represents. To others it stands for the fights our ancestors have made to secure our "freedom". To others, it's just a piece of cloth that doesn't have much meaning. Projecting your idea of what the flag represents onto someone else is pretty un-American, IMO.

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This country has a very long history of oppressing and subjogating the black race

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History? Yes. Present does not match that history. We've twice elected a black president. The attorney general (highest law enforcement office in the land) has been an African American for 8 years. That oppression exists, but it isn't universal. There are pockets of the country that do it and those pockets need to be addressed, but the country as a whole has progressed dramatically in the last 50 years.

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Projecting your idea of what the flag represents onto someone else is pretty un-American, IMO.

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Did you tell that to Colin Kaepernick, b/c sounds like exactly what he's doing, bruh.

It's all about perspective and how you choose to view situations. I like the way Ben Watson views the flag and America. Perfect? Far from it, but he believes in its ideals.

Ben Watson explains what flag/anthem means to him

Clearly you are set in your opinion and would rather indulge yourself than actually look around you. This thread is in many ways the point. There are people who agree with you on the substance of CK's protest and those who disagree with you. But there are a large number of people who agree with much of the substance, myself included, who are turned off by the tactics. CK and many members of BLM commitment to divisive tactics will not help their cause because the impression of being anti-american is a wedge, and a powerful one. There is a reason why groups, including the US government, used MLK's ties to communists to undermine him. It was in fact, one of the most effective tools they ever used despite the fact that MLK himself was never a communist. They recognized that he was a sympathetic figure and used "anit-american" as a weapon. CK and many like him save anyone the trouble by stating that they don't support their country.

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For the vast majority of people in America - including African Americans - that is NOT what they think the flag stands for.

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Have you talked to the vast majority of people in America of what they think the flag stands for? Have you listened to black, Hispanic people of color and whether they feel equal and not concerned about police brutality? Have you asked them how they feel about an anthem written by Francis Scott Keys, a slave owner, who prosecuted abolitionist and thought people of color were intellectually and morally inferior to white people? His 3rd verse basically triumphed at the bombing/killing of said slaves. I don't have a problem with the flag or the anthem but I can certainly see why some people might.

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Please direct me to a black person who supported Jim Crow laws.

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You're missing my point. I'm not saying that black people supported Jim Crow laws that kept black people down. But there were many that agreed with Jim Crow laws that separated the races so they would not intermix. Many black people, especially the Nation of Islam agreed with that assertion. For example, many would agree to several of these below.