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re: Florida Fans and LSU fans unite...

Posted on 9/15/09 at 11:54 am to
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
27010 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 11:54 am to
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If you are beating every team by 56 points what is the fun in that,


I agree with you, but that's kind of the point. I'm in favor of LSU playing Florida every, single year if Bama and Ole Miss and Auburn must as well.

Right now, Bama has Tennessee and Ole Miss has Vanderbilt. As long as Bama/LSU/Ole Miss are competitive, there is a disparity in scheduling here.

Either A) Florida needs to be added to Bama and Ole Miss' permananet schedule

OR

B) LSU needs to play Florida every other year, as Bama and Ole Miss and Auburn will have to do.


To me, people are being very stubborn if they are opposed to every SEC team playing every other cross-division SEC team every other year.
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 12:05 pm
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
Member since Jan 2007
33080 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 12:08 pm to
Damn, where did the pic of gatorprincess go? That bitch is fricking hot.
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3226 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

To me, people are being very stubborn if they are opposed to every SEC team playing every other cross-division SEC team every other year.


That may be an equitable compromise, but it completely craps on the history that certain programs have with one another. LSU wasn't paired with Florida because Florida was a powerhouse. UF had been a consistent contender for only 2 years prior the divisional split, and LSU was treading water.
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 12:54 pm
Posted by otowntiger
O-Town
Member since Jan 2004
16212 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 12:45 pm to
I like it just like it is. We need to keep playing Florida every year. It's good for the game and its good for the SEC, its good for UF and its even good for LSU. It would be ridiculous if we stopped playing them on a regular basis.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
27010 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:01 pm to
email to the SEC...

quote:

To whom it may concern:



Although I love the rivalry that has grown between LSU and Florida this decade as both schools have dominated this conference over the course of the decade and the game itself has at times “propelled” both schools to national title appearances, the time has come for change to the SEC's philosophy and policy on permanent cross-division opponents. With the emergence of Ole Miss and Alabama from the doormat of the conference, the current method of scheduling is no longer feasible and is simply put, unfair.

Unfortunately, the other 10 schools are completely content with the SEC's system, and I can see why. For Alabama-Tennessee and Georgia-Auburn, it is a matter of preserving tradition, which I respect. As for the other six schools opposed to change, it’s simply a matter of them being the beneficiaries of a softer conference schedule. Take one gander at Alabama and Ole Miss' 2009 SEC schedules and it's easy to see that not getting to the SECCG would be inexcusable for both schools (unfortunately, one or both will not make it). (See Alabama 2009 Schedule and Ole Miss 2009 Schedule)


As an LSU fan, I love playing Florida every year and it has certainly become one of the Top3 "marquee" games in college football each year and the game is certainly great for the SEC as it has a huge national appeal, but it is unfortunate that Florida and LSU are the two schools that get the raw end of the deal relative to the conference's scheduling across divisions.

Let me offer two solutions that I’m sure you guys have discussed, but have yet to implement due to resistance from the member institutions. The time has come for change, and while we as fans are willing to compromise a little in the interest of preserving tradition, nonetheless change must be implemented very soon or the competitive balance and fairness of the league will eventually suffer.

Solution #1
There should be no cross-division permanent opponent, simple as that. You should play three teams from the other division one year, and the remaining three teams from the other division the following year. Then, you do it all over again with the venue changed home/away. Every team gets a chance to play every other team in the other division every other year. No team ever goes over two years without playing each and every SEC team. No SEC player ever plays four years at a school and does not make a trip to Death Valley or Bryant Denny or The Swamp or Between the Hedges. Every team plays every other SEC team every other year.

For example, if LSU plays Florida at home this year, Georgia on the road this year, and Vanderbilt at home this year, then NEXT YEAR LSU will play South Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky. The FOLLOWING YEAR LSU will play at Florida, home against Georgia, and at Vanderbilt. The LAST SEASON of the rotation, LSU plays USC, Tenn, and Kentucky again with the venue flipped.




Solution #2

If Alabama-Tennessee and Georgia-Auburn really want to keep those games locked to preserve tradition, then keep those two games locked, but let the rest of the SEC rotate. Give those four schools the option to "opt out" if that game being played every year as opposed to the game being played every other year is so important to those schools. If those two particular games are the big holdupt to change, then we as fans will compromise and concede, allowing them to keep those games and let the rest of us play on a level playing field and with more equitable scheduling practices.







I know this topic comes up annually at the SEC meetings, but the time has come to implement change. Most schools have no problem with it, but I felt an email was necessary from me, an LSU fan, to let my displeasure in the current system known. I know that I am not alone in my beliefs on this topic.





Thanks for your time in considering this topic, and also thank you for all you do for the conference!









Geaux Tigers!


Posted by bcshog
arkansas
Member since Jul 2009
1579 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:04 pm to
LOL - That's funny that you think the SEC gives a frick what you think or want.. LSU could be scheduled to play Florida 12 times a season and they would still get the same money from you that they are now. We the fans are NOTHING, well less than nothing really, to them.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
27010 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 1:09 pm to
Probably true, but I've learned if you don't say something, then you're definitely getting nothing.

Posted by old man tiger
Member since Feb 2009
2383 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:17 pm to
i disagree with you only because i would rather play the best. its just what you said. florida and lsu have won 2 national championships in the last 6 years. That 4 of 6 from these 2 schools. No other sec team can say that.
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3226 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 2:32 pm to
Something else that goes against this argument: The Big 12.

The Big 12 doesn't have any annual interdivisional series. This killed the Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry, which was one of the best in college football. They still play every other year, but it doesn't carry any of the excitement that it used to. Consistency makes a big difference.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

Alabama fans werent bitching when Tennessee was as dominant as UF. Keep that in mind.


Must have been waaaayyy before my time.

BUT, THat being said, I like playing Florida every year. I look forward to seeing at least one good game in TS every other year.

I like playing Bama, ole miss (now), Auburn, etc........but I really like playing FLA, precisely because the two teams have performed at such a high level recently.

To be the best, you have to beat the best.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36701 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 5:06 pm to
I disagree... while it is to the disadvantage of the team that loses the matchup (of the two programs that have been best this decade)... it's the fairest solution for the conference as a whole. And it greatly helps the team that wins the head to head.

It is already possible for random matchups to be disproportionately unfair (easy or hard from the other division)... the SEC has lowered the likelihood of this happening by matching up (accidentally or not) the teams from opposite divisions with a permanent opponent of the same general quality

lsu-florida
bama-tenn
auburn-uga
arky-usc
ole miss-vandy
miss state-ky

are probably the fairest opp division opponents anyone could ask for... does it seem fair to lsu or florida they always play each other? Yes, because the other five teams in their own division also have to play a team of that caliber every year
Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
12653 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 5:09 pm to
I wouldn't care one bit if the other teams that didn't want a locked in rivalry game got rid of there's and rotated. Just let the teams that do have a rivalry game keep theirs and the one that don't want one get on a rotating schedule. Problem solved.
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 5:11 pm
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72926 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 5:12 pm to
quote:

We'll gladly take Tennessee off your hands. Think you would have beat Florida even once in the last decade if they had been your lock? Hmmm, doubt it.


Alabama beat Florida in 2005.
Posted by bamascott2
XIV
Member since Apr 2009
9671 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 5:13 pm to
quote:

There is no argument against the permanent cross-division opponent philosophy of the SEC other than to preserve the Alabama-Tennessee rivalry and the Auburn-Georgia rivalry.

Other than that, it is unfair, and you know it. But, and I'm just guessing here, I bet you didn't even know what the SEC's scheduling policy was until you read this post.

I hope you realize that football is cyclical for the most part. You're bitching about having to play UF as LSU's permanent opponent. UF has only been a consistent national power for about 20 years.

What is your plan? Are you proposing to arbitrarily start changing a conference scheduling system whenever another subjective winning cycle begins?

Dumb.
This post was edited on 9/15/09 at 5:17 pm
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22452 posts
Posted on 9/15/09 at 5:36 pm to
quote:

Think you would have beat Florida even once in the last decade if they had been your lock? Hmmm, doubt it.


WTF? 2005, Alabama 31- Florida 3.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
27010 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:05 pm to
bump
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
55793 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:15 pm to
I think a team needs to do something for longer than ten years before they start wanting to change the entire conference. It would appear the conference may be shifting back to the way it has always been.

I think the tradition should be left alone and lets just see what unfolds.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
27010 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:19 pm to
quote:

I think a team needs to do something for longer than ten years before they start wanting to change the entire conference. It would appear the conference may be shifting back to the way it has always been.

I think the tradition should be left alone and lets just see what unfolds..


Didn't read the OP, did ya?


Read it (including the proposed solution), and you'll see why it's obvious that you didn't read it.
This post was edited on 10/6/09 at 10:21 pm
Posted by Esarhaddon
Lafayette, LA
Member since Aug 2006
19035 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:20 pm to
I liked the way it was before, with two permanent interdivision rivalries. Auburn-Florida and Arkansas-Tennessee were pretty good rivalries. Kentucky is a cool state to visit as well and we used to have them every year.
Posted by Wild Thang
YAW YAW Fooball Nation
Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 10/6/09 at 10:21 pm to
quote:

It would appear the conference may be shifting back to the way it has always been.


LOL...1999
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