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re: Finebaum: At this point, Tennessee fans have to be content if they win six or seven games
Posted on 1/29/21 at 6:35 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/29/21 at 6:35 pm to RollTide1987
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I seem to remember a lot of talking heads parroting this same shite after we fired Shula. Alabama fans were told by sports journalists and rival fans that the game had changed and the SEC was too competitive for one team to dominate the way Alabama had done in the past.
All it takes is one hire to change the narrative.
but there aren't any Nick Sabans out there
or if there is he's unproven yet
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Posted on 1/29/21 at 7:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The game has changed.
But the players are the same!
Posted on 1/29/21 at 7:50 pm to RollTide1987
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All it takes is one hire to change the narrative.
and Dodge Challengers
Posted on 1/29/21 at 8:26 pm to Bench McElroy
Pawwwwl knows which side his bread is buttered on.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 8:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Tennessee doesn’t recruit good enough to compete with the big boys.
The talent in the state has fallen
These two things couldn't be more wrong. Our problems are 100 percent internal.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 8:28 pm to TrueLefty
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Maybe! If Tennessee fans would stay out of the way of future to let the AD get the HC of his liking if that means if it comes down to be Greg Schiano again or anyone that Tennessee fans doesn't like, then it will be a nightmare for Tennessee.
It's not the fans dipshit.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 8:54 pm to Prof
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Maybe! If Tennessee fans would stay out of the way of future to let the AD get the HC of his liking if that means if it comes down to be Greg Schiano again or anyone that Tennessee fans doesn't like, then it will be a nightmare for Tennessee.
Yes it is! Didn't you not read the article about the one that Tennessee fans protested of the potential of hiring Schiano?
Posted on 1/29/21 at 8:58 pm to TrueLefty
The fans didn't get Schiano fired. Schiano's name was leaked and people looked into his past. They rightfully objected to someone whose colleague accused them of witnessing and overlooking child rape.
You act as though Schiano would've been a savior. He wouldn't have been.
You act as though Schiano would've been a savior. He wouldn't have been.
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Posted on 1/29/21 at 9:05 pm to Bench McElroy
Idiot
Posted on 1/29/21 at 9:14 pm to Inadvertent Whistle
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and Dodge Challengers
*Chargers
If you're gonna troll at least be more accurate.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 9:19 pm to Prof
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The fans didn't get Schiano fired. Schiano's name was leaked and people looked into his past. They rightfully objected to someone whose colleague accused them of witnessing and overlooking child rape.
You act as though Schiano would've been a savior. He wouldn't have been.
I wanted Schiano at Missouri! He is by far better than Pruitt! Yet he was never was proven to be involved with the rest of the others. That is why Schiano filed a lawsuit against PSU and others for making him part of the others that were invovled in the cover up. OSU had no problem with him. I am happy that Missouri got Drinkwitz because he is an offensive minded HC that was needed to fix the offense.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 9:34 pm to TrueLefty
OSU didn't have a problem with him because 1. the testimony that mentioned him hadn't been unsealed when they hired him and 2. he wasn't being scrutinized for Head Coach. Schiano had the misfortune of that court testimony coming out at the wrong time. Had it come out long before when everything else did it could've been dealt with and explained but it was a small part of larger testimony that had been sealed and had only released a few months prior to the coaching search. That made it fresh news.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 9:39 pm to Prof
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OSU didn't have a problem with him because 1. the testimony that mentioned him hadn't been unsealed when they hired him and 2. he wasn't being scrutinized for Head Coach. Schiano had the misfortune of that court testimony coming out at the wrong time. Had it come out long before when everything else did it could've been dealt with and explained but it was a small part of larger testimony that had been sealed and had only released a few months prior to the coaching search. That made it fresh news.
Do you remember what OSU HC said when Tennessee fans didn't want him because he was at PSU! OSU HC was shocked that Tennessee turned him down because he just happened to be at PSU and had nothing to do with covering up the Sandusky situation. Again you just won't admit you are wrong about Schiano!
Posted on 1/29/21 at 10:08 pm to RollTide1987
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I seem to remember a lot of talking heads parroting this same shite after we fired Shula. Alabama fans were told by sports journalists and rival fans that the game had changed and the SEC was too competitive for one team to dominate the way Alabama had done in the past.
All it takes is one hire to change the narrative.
UT's reason for demise is one bad football decision after another by incompetent administrations. Something that may or may not be remedied. Bama's problem was severe scholarship reductions, which was over at Saban's arrival. UT is just now entering the scholarship reduction phase, though they are not likely to be as severe because the NCAA is now without teeth. UT is in worse shape than Bama was at Saban's arrival.
Also, Alabama and UT are just not the same programs. Bama generally is able, for whatever reason, to be more successful (17 NCs vs 2, 28 SECCs vs 13). During this down time UT usually has had better rosters than Bama had during its dark hour. But UT has had losing seasons in 8 of the last 13 seasons, with not one 10+ win season. Bama's 13 years (1994-2006) prior to Saban's arrival (arguably the darkest period in its history) included 4 losing seasons, 5 10+ win seasons, 4 West division titles and one SEC title. (Bama's other dark period was losing seasons in 1951, 54-57, which along with 1903 & 1984, were their other losing seasons since 1901.)
So UT now and Bama then are two different programs with two different sets of circumstances.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 10:16 pm to Prof
True in both cases. You are right the talent in the state is improving. But one of UT's problems is that the Memphis area is so far away from Knoxville that the recruits there are often not locks to UT, and though the Nashville area is so much closer, the talent there is not a lock either because so many are the progeny of transplants and have no allegiance to UT (typical of metro areas being filled with transplants, e.g., same with Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, etc.); plus the fact that UT has been so bad that most don't really care about being part of the program.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 11:16 pm to Bench McElroy
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“I think Tennessee is heading toward a very bad and dark period,
Heading toward??? They've been in a very bad and dark period for a decade. And it all comes back to one person, more than anyone else:
Lane Kiffin.
Kiffin absolutely fricked Tennessee in the arse. Kiffin stays at Tennessee 4 or 5 years, and they're likely still a relevant SEC power. By leaving so late in the hiring cycle, he doomed Tennessee to having to settle for a Derek Dooley, and the rest is history.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 11:27 pm to tattoo
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True in both cases. You are right the talent in the state is improving. But one of UT's problems is that the Memphis area is so far away from Knoxville that the recruits there are often not locks to UT, and though the Nashville area is so much closer, the talent there is not a lock either because so many are the progeny of transplants and have no allegiance to UT (typical of metro areas being filled with transplants, e.g., same with Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, etc.); plus the fact that UT has been so bad that most don't really care about being part of the program.
Lots of truth here. When it comes to Vol recruiting, the Tennessee state line is purely a mythical boundary. There are 7 or 8 SEC schools closer to Memphis than Knoxville is. No high school player was alive the last time the Vols won the SEC. Add to that the fact that likely for as long as most 16-18 year olds can remember watching games, Vanderbilt has beaten Tennessee more often than not.
Posted on 1/29/21 at 11:45 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Tennessee doesn’t recruit good enough to compete with the big boys.
The talent in the state has fallen
Actually the talent in the state has risen some, but UT can't keep those players home and they can't recruit in states like GA, NC, SC, FL, etc. like they did in the past. The UT brand has fallen on hard times and the recovery might not happen any time soon. If it does it will be a very slow and steady process. As long as Kirby's in GA and Dabo's in SC, UT will be in a world of hurt.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 12:11 am to BamaGradinTn
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Kiffin absolutely fricked Tennessee in the arse. Kiffin stays at Tennessee 4 or 5 years, and they're likely still a relevant SEC power. By leaving so late in the hiring cycle, he doomed Tennessee to having to settle for a Derek Dooley, and the rest is history.
He didn't really doom us to Derek Dooley, we made a panic hire when an interim would have done fine. Luke Fickell showed that in 2011. Had Tennessee just waited, the pool would have been much better.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 4:21 am to BrotherDawg84
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Actually the talent in the state has risen some, but UT can't keep those players home and they can't recruit in states like GA, NC, SC, FL, etc. like they did in the past. The UT brand has fallen on hard times and the recovery might not happen any time soon. If it does it will be a very slow and steady process. As long as Kirby's in GA and Dabo's in SC, UT will be in a world of hurt.
The new AD brought in a HC that hates to recruit and isn't really good at hiring coaches. Doesn't really know any coaches that he can picked up from another school that is pretty good. Then you need good to great recruiters. That is the same for Auburn. Harsin isn't really done anything in recruiting so far. Then you have South Carolina HC in that same situation. I am surprise his father hasn't been that much of a help with finding good replacement of coaches. Then the recruiting hasn't gotten better so far. Then there is Vanderbilt. I think Vanderbilt made one of the better hired but recruiting isn't going to be easy because of academic requirement for student-athletes. I do not know if it is same for the other SEC schools which allowed lower requirement for student-athletes. Missouri and Ole Miss got the better hired. Arkansas and MSU is next. The rest I have no idea.
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