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re: Fauci: Test all the players before the game. Infected? Sorry, you’re sidelined.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:54 am to GatorsGators
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:54 am to GatorsGators
Also how is this thread still here 
Step up your game, Lew
Step up your game, Lew
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:55 am to 3down10
quote:This is just some straight up misinformation, dude
If he's such an expert and so trustworthy, why did he push false mortality rates and tell people to make decisions based on those rates?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:58 am to TacoNash
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but yet you cant even come up with an idea on how he is profiting.
I laid out several plausible scenarios.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:00 pm to TacoNash
Quit being a drama queen. Noone is arguing that Fauci is stupid. Fauci is AN expert not THE expert. Some experts disagree with Fauci
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:01 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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If you are trying to use [unrelated] anecdotal evidence in an argument about a global pandemic, then you are too dumb to even waste time with.
Keep staying at home clutching your pearls at all the people smart enough to see through all of this and are going on enjoying their lives.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:01 pm to chateaublanc
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Quit being a drama queen. Noone is arguing that Fauci is stupid. Fauci is AN expert not THE expert. Some experts disagree with Fauci
Show me an expert and there will likely be a fair group of people who disagree with him/her. That's not exactly uncommon in the scientific field, even for highly decorated/recognized scientists.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:01 pm to BluegrassBelle
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What false mortality rates did he push? Because giving a potential mortality rate if we exercised no preventative measures at all, then adjusting that rate after preventative measures isn't "false". It's adjusting for variables.
They used "confirmed" cases only when figuring up the mortality rate, while knowing that around 80% of people who get it don't show symptoms and would never get tested to be confirmed to start with. Beyond that, even those in the remaining 20% have mild symptoms and don't go to the doctor.
They quoted mortality rates between 4 and 6%, when using the correct formulas, like they do with the flu they constantly compared it to, the real rate was between 0.25% and 0.5%.
With the flu numbers, they estimate the other parts to try and get a more realistic number. They not only didn't do that with the coronavirus, they purposely avoided telling the truth about the number.
I mentioned this months ago on this forum and was constantly told "You think you know better than the experts" and was constantly called an idiot.
So why did I turn out to "know better than the experts" if they didn't purposely ignore the information for an agenda?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:04 pm to BluegrassBelle
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What false mortality rates did he push? Because giving a potential mortality rate if we exercised no preventative measures at all, then adjusting that rate after preventative measures isn't "false". It's adjusting for variables.
He's a programmer; variables are basically voodoo to them.
I kid, I kid. Seriously though, I've watched him and BluegrassBelle is right. This is what he actually said:
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Fauci said the 100,000-to-200,000 death figure is a middle-of-the-road estimate, much lower than worse-case-scenario predictions.
He said preparing for 1 million to 2 million Americans to die from the coronavirus is "almost certainly off the chart," adding: "Now it's not impossible, but very, very unlikely."
However, Fauci cautioned people not to put too much emphasis on predictions, noting that "it's such a moving target that you could so easily be wrong and mislead people."
Then on April 9th:
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The final toll currently "looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000" that U.S. officials previously estimated, Fauci said.
Current deaths in the United States, per John Hopkins University: 81,076
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:04 pm to GatorsGators
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This is just some straight up misinformation, dude
So they were out there talking about the mortality rate was only 0.25% to 0.5% instead of 5% when they were telling the states they needed to shut down?
bullshite.
I didn't force them to push out the false numbers without telling people the truth about them. If you did that same bullshite with the flu, the numbers would be extreme also.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:05 pm to 3down10
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They used "confirmed" cases only when figuring up the mortality rate, while knowing that around 80% of people who get it don't show symptoms and would never get tested to be confirmed to start with. Beyond that, even those in the remaining 20% have mild symptoms and don't go to the doctor.
What exactly was he supposed to do when our country hasn't had comprehensive testing (and that's a whole other ball of wax) from the get go?
I'd say take that up with the people who didn't push and provide comprehensive testing to get more accurate numbers. But I find it interesting that you claim to have accurate numbers when we still don't have enough testing to provide real accurate infection rates.
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:06 pm to 3down10
They are still pumping out like its surprising/breaking news that the virus was here in January. Any one with half a brain has known that for weeks. Probably has been here longer than that.
Fauci was still saying this was no issue until like two weeks before he started acting like it was the end of the world. Masks were bad, hospitals will be overrun, literally nothing they predicted came close to happening.
If it wasn't for Fauci and his sheep in the media you would have never even known there was a new virus going around. Unless maybe you live in NYC, but sure let's shut down the whole country because of the events taking place on a 22 square mile island.
Fauci was still saying this was no issue until like two weeks before he started acting like it was the end of the world. Masks were bad, hospitals will be overrun, literally nothing they predicted came close to happening.
If it wasn't for Fauci and his sheep in the media you would have never even known there was a new virus going around. Unless maybe you live in NYC, but sure let's shut down the whole country because of the events taking place on a 22 square mile island.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:06 pm to skrayper
I mentioned nothing about predicted deaths.
I am talking about the mortality rate which is based on deaths that already happened.
I am talking about the mortality rate which is based on deaths that already happened.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:09 pm to 3down10
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They used "confirmed" cases only when figuring up the mortality rate, while knowing that around 80% of people who get it don't show symptoms and would never get tested to be confirmed to start with. Beyond that, even those in the remaining 20% have mild symptoms and don't go to the doctor.
They quoted mortality rates between 4 and 6%, when using the correct formulas, like they do with the flu they constantly compared it to, the real rate was between 0.25% and 0.5%.
With the flu numbers, they estimate the other parts to try and get a more realistic number. They not only didn't do that with the coronavirus, they purposely avoided telling the truth about the number.
I mentioned this months ago on this forum and was constantly told "You think you know better than the experts" and was constantly called an idiot.
So why did I turn out to "know better than the experts" if they didn't purposely ignore the information for an agenda?
Thanks for providing this rational response, but I think I speak for everyone when I say that it’s much funnier to watch Randy Savage try to bs his way through this issue like a future junior college dropout trying to regurgitate what he can just barely make out on another student’s exam.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:10 pm to thatthang
The information has been out there for weeks. If you don't see it by now it's because you don't want to so there's no use trying.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:13 pm to 3down10
The mortality rates were based on current case/death data. We all knew that the rate would drop with increased testing, and everyone has said so since the beginning. We've been talking about South Korea in that respect for months.
Plus -- the mortality rate was always a moving target, not based solely on the deadliness of the virus, but also based on our healthcare system's ability to withstand a sudden surge of cases. Italy's mortality rate was around 10% for a long time because their healthcare system couldn't withstand the surge, and had we not taken preventative measures, that was a possibility here, too.
The reality is that this is a novel virus, and we're all in the dark to a certain extent. Saying that Fauci lied to stir up panic is a straight-up lie. We're going to blow by the initial 100k death estimate in about ten days, for frick's sake. Who knows how bad it would have been had we done nothing?
Plus -- the mortality rate was always a moving target, not based solely on the deadliness of the virus, but also based on our healthcare system's ability to withstand a sudden surge of cases. Italy's mortality rate was around 10% for a long time because their healthcare system couldn't withstand the surge, and had we not taken preventative measures, that was a possibility here, too.
The reality is that this is a novel virus, and we're all in the dark to a certain extent. Saying that Fauci lied to stir up panic is a straight-up lie. We're going to blow by the initial 100k death estimate in about ten days, for frick's sake. Who knows how bad it would have been had we done nothing?
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:13 pm to BluegrassBelle
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What exactly was he supposed to do when our country hasn't had comprehensive testing (and that's a whole other ball of wax) from the get go?
I'd say take that up with the people who didn't push and provide comprehensive testing to get more accurate numbers. But I find it interesting that you claim to have accurate numbers when we still don't have enough testing to provide real accurate infection rates.
So how did I magically know what the real rate was months in advance?
Just luck?
No, I read other sources that talked about the rates in other places of the world.
Btw, speaking of policy. They give hospitals money for anyone who goes onto a ventilator with Covid, even though 90% or more of those people die. Why aren't these experts realizing that the reason they suffocate isn't due to the inability to get oxygen in their lungs, which ventilators do help with, but rather because the virus strips the hemoglobin of the iron isotopes needed to carry the oxygen and Co2 out of the lungs? It doesn't matter how much air/oxygen your lungs get if your blood isn't able to carry it to your body. You will die in hours, and they do.
So tell me why are these experts pushing and paying for things that aren't helping patients and could be causing more damage?
That information also is not new, I read it months ago.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:15 pm to RandySavage
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Please refer to 3down10’s posts because while I like to make extravagant claims, I lack the mental capabilities to form a coherent argument on my own.
Fify
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:17 pm to thatthang
Must be frustrating to have less common sense or ability to seek and interpret information than a simpleton such as myself.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:19 pm to GatorsGators
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The mortality rates were based on current case/death data. We all knew that the rate would drop with increased testing, and everyone has said so since the beginning. We've been talking about South Korea in that respect for months.
If everyone knew, then why did people constantly call me an idiot for mentioning it here?
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Plus -- the mortality rate was always a moving target, not based solely on the deadliness of the virus, but also based on our healthcare system's ability to withstand a sudden surge of cases. Italy's mortality rate was around 10% for a long time because their healthcare system couldn't withstand the surge, and had we not taken preventative measures, that was a possibility here, too.
And then you turn around and do exactly the opposite quoting a 10% mortality rate that is obviously false. Using a number you just told me 1 paragraph ago you knew was false to justify actions.
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The reality is that this is a novel virus, and we're all in the dark to a certain extent. Saying that Fauci lied to stir up is a straight-up lie. We're going to blow by the initial 100k death estimate in about ten days, for frick's sake. Who knows how bad it would have been had we done nothing?
100k? What happened to 2.2 million?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 12:20 pm to RandySavage
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than a simpleton such as myself.
Finally, some honesty! The truth shall set you free. And I thought I was wasting my time!
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