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re: Fauci: Test all the players before the game. Infected? Sorry, you’re sidelined.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:48 pm to Arksulli
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:48 pm to Arksulli
Bravo. I don't post here a lot but I do read the board, and it is refreshing to read this here...
The thing is our politicians by and large have failed us. These people are supposed to be the BEST out of us, however in a trying time they've double down on their political agenda, playing into some stupid game of tug of war between the undesirable 10% on each side of the spectrum.
This is not exclusive to the man that calls himself our president, however he is the one who does this the most.
And I say this as an independent voter who was a registered Republican my entire life prior to Trump, who grew up in a family of local Republican politicians.
It is sad to see how fricked up our country is today.
The thing is our politicians by and large have failed us. These people are supposed to be the BEST out of us, however in a trying time they've double down on their political agenda, playing into some stupid game of tug of war between the undesirable 10% on each side of the spectrum.
This is not exclusive to the man that calls himself our president, however he is the one who does this the most.
And I say this as an independent voter who was a registered Republican my entire life prior to Trump, who grew up in a family of local Republican politicians.
It is sad to see how fricked up our country is today.
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Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:50 pm to GatorsGators
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I didn't say their mortality rate is currently 10%. I said at one point, it was close.
If Tua throws his completes his first pass as a pro, his completion percentage will be 100%. Would saying then that his completion percentage is 100% make me a liar if his next pass fell incomplete?
It's never been that close, unless you use the false data numbers with only confirmed cases.
To use your football example, it would be like you were still claiming 100% even after the incomplete because you knowingly ignored the incomplete pass.
That is what they do to get those mortality rates, they ignored data. They knew there was a high amount of unconfirmed cases, but they ignored them and did not account for them.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:50 pm to 3down10
When you are done walking on water let us all know what it’s like
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:52 pm to GatorsGators
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lmao
What's the biggest reasoning the mortality rate may have been inflated for awhile? Lack of testing. Why is there a lack of testing?
No. The reason the number was inflated is because they did not include unconfirmed cases.
It would be impossible to test people unless you just went around daily testing people because 80% of people do not have symptoms. Even among the remaining 20%, most of the symptoms are mild and they do not go to the doctor.
It's unreasonable to think you can test everyone daily. Which is why they don't do it with the flu numbers either. You can use existing data to estimate realistic numbers, just as I did. They added in all the other cases, but they did not and continue to not do that with the coronavirus.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 5/12/20 at 1:54 pm to Rip Torn
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When you are done walking on water let us all know what it’s like
When you are done being a passive aggressive bitch, I might share it with you.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:01 pm to 3down10
You don’t know the “unconfirmed” number of cases either yet you continually throw out these statistics as if they are remotely facts. There has never been a study that suggests anything other than certain urban areas like New York have had a higher infection rate than previously tested. That same New York antibody test showed that once testing ventured outside the city, positive antibody rates decreased drastically. To suggest that it’s vastly more widespread throughout the nation and that most are immune to it is nonsense. Just because you have the antibodies doesn’t mean you are immune and just because you don’t have them doesn’t mean you wouldn’t be immune for having not contacted it yet. Therefore your “80%” statistic is irrelevant when determining mortality rates or any rate for that matter because there are dozens of cases of individuals getting the virus more than once after remission.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:05 pm to 3down10
As opposed to your condescending “expertise” of epidemiology that I have no doubt was a great passion of yours 4 months ago. What with all of your vast experience in the subject area, correct?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:55 pm to Rip Torn
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You don’t know the “unconfirmed” number of cases either yet you continually throw out these statistics as if they are remotely facts. There has never been a study that suggests anything other than certain urban areas like New York have had a higher infection rate than previously tested. That same New York antibody test showed that once testing ventured outside the city, positive antibody rates decreased drastically. To suggest that it’s vastly more widespread throughout the nation and that most are immune to it is nonsense. Just because you have the antibodies doesn’t mean you are immune and just because you don’t have them doesn’t mean you wouldn’t be immune for having not contacted it yet. Therefore your “80%” statistic is irrelevant when determining mortality rates or any rate for that matter because there are dozens of cases of individuals getting the virus more than once after remission.
The biggest breakdown yet of novel coronavirus cases suggests that 80% are mild. Some patients never show symptoms.
Date: Feb 19, 2020.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 2:58 pm to Rip Torn
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As opposed to your condescending “expertise” of epidemiology that I have no doubt was a great passion of yours 4 months ago. What with all of your vast experience in the subject area, correct?
I'm not an expert when it comes to epidemiology.
I do however have more than 20 years of experience as a programmer creating stats that are useful and accurate. We don't have time for politics, fake stats or agendas at my company.
So I have no problem at all when it comes to looking at stats and pointing out the flaws. You'll find me doing it often when it comes to college football stats.
If I was to make such stats/reports, it would come with a huge disclaimer. Because misleading people is worse than no data/stats at all.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:09 pm to Rip Torn
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To suggest that it’s vastly more widespread throughout the nation and that most are immune to it is nonsense.
Also, for the record I never said anything close to this.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 3:41 pm to Toroballistic
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Wouldn't by aspirin
Posted on 5/12/20 at 4:32 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
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and I think things are going to get a lot worse in some of the red states.
Wait, you think the states that are actually being sensible and opening back up are the ones where things are going to get worse than the ones sitting with their thumb up their asses until there is a vaccine?
Not sure where you live but in the great red state of GA people are out, the sun is shining, stores are open, and life is getting back to normal. Blue states are still huddled together bouncing back and forth between wondering how much more they need to tank the economy to "got heem" on Trump or worrying if they leave their house someone might get within six feet of them leading to their imminent death.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 5:31 pm to PlateJohnsonIII
Yall convince yourself that anyone who doesnt tow the virus line as stupid and unable to draw their own logical conclusions. Just look how condescending you people have been in this thread towards those who dont buy everything Fauci is selling.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 5:39 pm to gatorlover94
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It is sad to see how fricked up our country is today.
I do not want to get political on this part of the forum... but yes. We screwed up. We let partisan politics become more important than actual issues.
New Zealand has a hard left political order and they have stamped out the Coronavirus. Australia, on the other hand, has a conservative Christian order... and they are well on their way to stamping out the virus. Both countries, with two wildly divergent political views, made it work by going non partisan and doing what had to be done.
Yes. We can have football in the fall. We need to take common sense precautions and not take counsel with our fears from either side. We can do this. We can make this work.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 5:44 pm to Arksulli
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I do not want to get political on this part of the forum... but yes. We screwed up. We let partisan politics become more important than actual issues.
New Zealand has a hard left political order and they have stamped out the Coronavirus. Australia, on the other hand, has a conservative Christian order... and they are well on their way to stamping out the virus. Both countries, with two wildly divergent political views, made it work by going non partisan and doing what had to be done.
Yes. We can have football in the fall. We need to take common sense precautions and not take counsel with our fears from either side. We can do this. We can make this work.
Well it's been almost 2 weeks since things started opening back up.
People should be dropping dead like crazy and we should see a huge spike in deaths anytime now.
It seems we have forgotten the original reason to shutdown was to flatten the curve. Not to try and save every single person from ever getting it.
Why/when did that goal change?
Posted on 5/12/20 at 5:49 pm to 3down10
When they realized a reasonable response wouldn’t be enough to make Trump look bad and increase their chances in November.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 7:55 pm to CNB
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because we took measures to prevent that happening
Do you think it would have been the same story if everything was open and normal?
You really think you can hide from a .03 micron respiratory virus by staying 6 ft from someone or wearing a non-sealed mask.. especially as contagious as it was/is touted to be. Unless you have your own island ...nah. It was proclaimed that we were two weeks behind Italy. I would say ...we were a couple of weeks ahead actually. CV19 isnt a nuclear cloud working its way west via atmospheric conditions...we got it within weeks of China getting it.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:10 am to Vestigial Morgan
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You really think you can hide from a .03 micron respiratory virus by staying 6 ft from someone or wearing a non-sealed mask.. especially as contagious as it was/is touted to be. Unless you have your own island ...nah. It was proclaimed that we were two weeks behind Italy. I would say ...we were a couple of weeks ahead actually. CV19 isnt a nuclear cloud working its way west via atmospheric conditions...we got it within weeks of China getting it.
Unless it’s spread by droplets, and the person is hacking away without a mask, yea, you can avoid it by masking up and social distancing.
Turns out NYC was right behind north italy, and got rocked like north italy. We prevented that from happening elsewhere.
Posted on 5/13/20 at 11:42 am to 3down10
Good gosh almighty you took that article to mean that the actual reported number of cases is 80% higher than the actual number reported?? Simply because 80% of individuals tested in China showed mild symptoms doesn’t equal cases being 80% higher than reported. You do understand that not everyone being tested shows symptoms? As a matter of fact, the vast majority of those being tested have had mild to no symptoms and yet they are and have been counted in the overall statistics. Of the 2.46 million active cases in the World, 2.41 million are mild to no symptoms. You continually try to undermine the seriousness of the virus and throw around these numbers that bring the mortality rate down to fit your “non political” agenda. I look forward to your illogical arguments
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