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re: FAA rules aren't as stupid as Tiger fans are suggesting
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:37 pm to Tuscaloosa
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:37 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I'm sure he did intend to enroll early at LSU - prior to his receiving an offer from Alabama. I think the entire timeline backs that up... From him receiving an offer to LSU, committing, signing FAA papers, then his recruitment to Alabama... All of it backs up the idea that he at one point planned on enrolling early and attending LSU, and then received an offer from Alabama that changed his mind.
What does any of this have to do with my question? I'm specifically talking about after he received the Bama offer.
Assuming he was Bama through and through once he received it (As you are claiming):
1. Why would he stay committed to LSU for a month after receiving the Bama offer?
2. Why wouldn't he de-committ within the week and committ to Bama?
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I'm not sure what's so difficult to comprehend about any of that.
Why don't you try answering my questions instead of avoiding them, again.
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Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:39 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I'm not sure what's so difficult to comprehend about any of that.
Your post really typifies the delusion of the Gump Nation at large.
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From him receiving an offer to LSU, committing, signing FAA papers
Having said that, essentially - that LSU merely exercised the rules that were in place - should LSU now get penalized because they took a "chance" on a guy that was committed with FAA papers.
You sir are a dumbass.
Ultimately, this is just knee-jerk compliance rhetoric and the sanctions will be set aside in due course.
But thanks for the effort.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:40 pm to RB10
He decommitted a day or so before the dean period to avoid the phone calls. He has said as much. He wanted a Bama offer and got it but wanted to avoid the hassle of the subsequent phone calls from LSU. Halls local recruiting guy for 247 just said this on the Ott and Hanagriff(?) radio program.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:41 pm to Evolved Simian
quote:His first retweet was laughing at "Screwing over LSU" from a Bama fan. If you think he handled this properly yesterday step away for a second.
He retweeted a bunch of threats from LSU fans
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:46 pm to labamafan
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He decommitted a day or so before the dean period to avoid the phone calls. He has said as much. He wanted a Bama offer and got it but wanted to avoid the hassle of the subsequent phone calls from LSU
So, in order to avoid more contact from LSU, he waited to tell them he was de-committing, which gave them reign to continue to contact him under the FAA rules. Meanwhile, if he tells LSU he is no longer committed, they know that any contact outside the normal recruiting allowance would be a violation.
Had he de-committed, it would have insured that LSU would not contact anymore than what was allowed. Do you see why that statement makes no sense?
This post was edited on 2/27/15 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:49 pm to memphisplaya
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He had to enroll early or LSU would pay the price.
LSU had the option of maintaining normal contact - as they would with any other recruit. They're paying the price because they used the "unlimited contact" - as self reported by the school.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:51 pm to Tuscaloosa
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Tuscaloosa
Are you going to continue to avoid my questions? Why? Because they make you look like you have no idea what you're actually talking about?
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:53 pm to RB10
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Are you going to continue to avoid my questions? Why? Because they make you look like you have no idea what you're actually talking about?
If you'd give me a second, I'm in the middle of trying to respond.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:55 pm to RB10
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1. Why would he stay committed to LSU for a month after receiving the Bama offer?
My assumption is that he wouldn't have been allowed to commit until his official visit in December. That happens pretty commonly, but I don't have the answer to that. Based on the information that we do have, it seems as though his attention and effort shifted dramatically to Bama following his offer.
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2. Why wouldn't he de-committ within the week and committ to Bama?
He did as soon as he was allowed to - is my opinion based on what we know. He took an official on December 12th and committed on December 14th.
Otherwise, nobody has the answer to that except for the Womack family.
Why did the LSU coaching staff - knowing that he was visiting other schools and being visited by other school frequently - use their option of the "unlimited contact"?
Seems like a really bad decision.
This post was edited on 2/27/15 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 2/27/15 at 12:59 pm to Tuscaloosa
By the way, for those wondering - this is what a "solid commitment" looks like:
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Matt Womack also considered Ole Miss, but his recruitment is now over.
"Done," David Womack said. "He told the coaches it was over and would not respond to any contact, deleted number and Twitter (message)."
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:00 pm to Tuscaloosa
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My assumption is that he wouldn't have been allowed to commit until his official visit in December. That happens pretty commonly, but I don't have the answer to that. Based on the information that we do have, it seems as though his attention and effort shifted dramatically to Bama following his offer.
Players can "committ" to any school they want. That doesn't mean they have a scholarship offer, however.
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Why did the LSU coaching staff - knowing that he was visiting other schools and being visited by other school frequently - use their option of the "unlimited contact"?
Ok I'm going to say this one more time.
Most likely, to get him enrolled in classes and setup in housing.
I've asked you this before, and surprisingly, you ignored it. Why do you think the NCAA allows additional contact once the FAA is signed? It couldn't be because they want to give the university enough time to ensure that the kids get enrolled properly and moved onto campus, could it?
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:05 pm to RB10
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Players can "committ" to any school they want.
Maybe publicly. Players are told constantly by coaching staffs to wait until their visits to commit. This happened to 2 of my players this year.
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Ok I'm going to say this one more time.
Most likely, to get him enrolled in classes and setup in housing.
I've asked you this before, and surprisingly, you ignored it. Why do you think the NCAA allows additional contact once the FAA is signed? It couldn't be because they want to give the university enough time to ensure that the kids get enrolled properly and moved onto campus, could it?
I don't disagree with any of this. I think we agree on a lot more than you think we do.
All I'm saying is that LSU's staff knew that he was visiting other schools and was not "solid", and from what I've seen of the process with my own players - all of the stuff that "needed to be taken care of" could have been done within the normal recruiting boundaries.
I've said over and over again that the rule needs to be amended to avoid situations like this. But the staff knew the rules and knew that their player was heavily flirting with at least two other schools.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:12 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I don't disagree with any of this. I think we agree on a lot more than you think we do.
We agree on most things it seems.
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All I'm saying is that LSU's staff knew that he was visiting other schools and was not "solid", and from what I've seen of the process with my own players - all of the stuff that "needed to be taken care of" could have been done within the normal recruiting boundaries.
I've said over and over again that the rule needs to be amended to avoid situations like this. But the staff knew the rules and knew that their player was heavily flirting with at least two other schools.
This is where I'm going with this. Did LSU commit a violation? Yes, but the fact that it became a violation retroactively is what's ridiculous.
No matter how you want to spin it, what it comes down to is LSU received sanctions because an 18 year old decided to sign with another team, and that is asinine.
ETA: If the contract is binding for the university it should be for the recruit as well, to an extent. The university should be protected from any sanctions if the recruit signs with another school. Plain and simple.
ETAA: And the recruit should not be allowed to receive aid from the university he's attending if he's already signed a FAA with another school. It would be like applying to get a loan. Once you apply to one bank, you can't apply to another.
This post was edited on 2/27/15 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:14 pm to RB10
Fair enough
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:23 pm to Tuscaloosa
Sanctions won't stand anyways.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:33 pm to Tuscaloosa
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FAA rules aren't as stupid as Tiger fans are suggesting
Yes they are. But I'm not sure we (LSU fans) are smart enough to express just how stooopid this rule is.
Posted on 2/27/15 at 1:39 pm to Tuscaloosa
quote:OK, now you can just geaux frick yourself, you pompous little bitch.
What the hell does this have to do with LSU cheating?
Posted on 2/28/15 at 7:17 am to Tuscaloosa
It just shows how the sec office in bham bends over backwards to please the Crimson Tide. It's total BS
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