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re: Explain to me how Jimbo isn't the same as Ed O and Chizik according to Rant standards
Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:18 am to TheTideMustRoll
Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:18 am to TheTideMustRoll
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mean, that's probably why they aren't mentioned in the same breath. Fisher is clearly above the other two.
Like O, Fisher is a phenomenal recruiter. Unlike O, Fisher was the big fish in the little ACC pond. Go back and look at how FSU had an incredible talent advantage over every school in that conference…then also review how even with that advantage, he still had inexplicable losses to juggernauts like NC State and BC.
Fisher is not a savant. He’s an ace recruiter who benefited from cutting his HC teeth in a dog shite conference.
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Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:19 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Overall coaching records for each, not including their (possibly fluke) championship years:
Gene Chizik: 24-38 (.387)
Ed Orgeron: 49-42 (.538)
Jimbo Fisher: 98-32 (.742)
I mean, that's probably why they aren't mentioned in the same breath. Fisher is clearly above the other two.
Not sure you can really compare Fisher's record going into much better situations at A&M/FSU compared to Chizik at ISU and O at Ole Miss.
O is 48-15 at LSU, which is basically the same as Fisher's record at FSU/A&M combined winning percentage standpoint. That's 76% for O at LSU.
Chizik was 33-19 at Auburn which is definitely a step down, that extremely rough 3-9 year kind of tanks him there. But is a 63% win pct at Auburn.
This post was edited on 9/28/21 at 8:21 am
Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:23 am to magildachunks
I'd say he's worse. Neither of those guys left (or will likely leave) their programs in the mess he left FSU. I mean Gus Bus immediately came in and made AU NCship contenders. FSU has been a dumpster fire for years now.
This post was edited on 9/28/21 at 8:24 am
Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:28 am to 3down10
"They started his final season #3, but their OL had troubles and their starting QB got hurt. Which is exactly what has happened at A&M *AND LSU* this year as well and that is notable."
FIFY
FIFY
Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:29 am to SidewalkTiger
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Maybe, but you can't put FSU's failures on Jimbo. That was all FSU with their hiring choices after.
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Interesting that no one gives Ed O this excuse.
How can we give him that excuse when he's still there? Why don't you guys go ahead and fire him and then hire an asshat like Willie Taggart? Then we'll be happy to make the same excuse for Orgeron for LSU's failures.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:31 am to thunderbird1100
True, the comparison is not a strict apples-to-apples one.
My opinion is this: none of the three are great coaches. Fisher, I think, is a good coach. He isn't going to win you a championship without an elite player, an easy league, or a combination of the two, but he will generally put average to above average teams on the field. Chizik was a bad coach. Aside from his one year with one of the greatest players in the history of the sport, his teams ranged from average to awful.
The remainder of this year will tell where Orgeron falls on the scale. Clearly he was a bad coach in the past. Has he learned from that and become a good coach? Were 2018 and 2019 his new normal, or were they the result of having a really good player? Was 2020 a hiccup, or was it a regression to his mean? My personal opinion is he is still a bad coach and the success he had was due to Burrow and Brady. But the next few weeks will tell.
My opinion is this: none of the three are great coaches. Fisher, I think, is a good coach. He isn't going to win you a championship without an elite player, an easy league, or a combination of the two, but he will generally put average to above average teams on the field. Chizik was a bad coach. Aside from his one year with one of the greatest players in the history of the sport, his teams ranged from average to awful.
The remainder of this year will tell where Orgeron falls on the scale. Clearly he was a bad coach in the past. Has he learned from that and become a good coach? Were 2018 and 2019 his new normal, or were they the result of having a really good player? Was 2020 a hiccup, or was it a regression to his mean? My personal opinion is he is still a bad coach and the success he had was due to Burrow and Brady. But the next few weeks will tell.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:32 am to BamaGradinTn
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How can we give him that excuse when he's still there?
Why don't you guys go ahead and fire him and then hire an asshat like Willie Taggart? Then we'll be happy to make the same excuse for Orgeron for LSU's failures.
Well, I was obviously referring to this part of the excuse:
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They started his final season #3, but their OL had troubles and their starting QB got hurt. Which is exactly what has happened at A&M this year as well and that is notable.
Interesting that no one gives Ed O that excuse.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 8:42 am to TheTideMustRoll
LSU is O's dream job. I think he caves to fan pressure too much and makes decisions he thinks will go over well with fans.
Hiring Matt Canada because he runs a flashy offense despite not actually wanting to run that type of offense.
Hiring Bo Pelini because he was a recognizable name for the fans despite the fact that the writing was on the wall that the man didn't care to coach.
Hiring Jake Peetz because he worked under Joe Brady at Carolina.
Hiring Daronte Jones because Aranda recommended him.
Both coordinators this season honestly have not proven they deserve to be coaching and this level with LSU because they got hired because O desperately wanted to rekindle 2019. So many of his decisions seem more like he is trying to appease fans rather than do what he thinks is best to win.
Hiring Matt Canada because he runs a flashy offense despite not actually wanting to run that type of offense.
Hiring Bo Pelini because he was a recognizable name for the fans despite the fact that the writing was on the wall that the man didn't care to coach.
Hiring Jake Peetz because he worked under Joe Brady at Carolina.
Hiring Daronte Jones because Aranda recommended him.
Both coordinators this season honestly have not proven they deserve to be coaching and this level with LSU because they got hired because O desperately wanted to rekindle 2019. So many of his decisions seem more like he is trying to appease fans rather than do what he thinks is best to win.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:04 am to SidewalkTiger
To be fair sidewalk a large portion of y’all were excited that MJ was getting the nod ahead of Brennan. While some of you chastised those posters for celebrating his injury.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:07 am to labamafan
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To be fair sidewalk a large portion of y’all were excited that MJ was getting the nod ahead of Brennan.
I was speaking more toward last season.
Everyone crucified O for going .500 in conference play (and rightfully so) after the offensive line struggled and the backup quarterback went down but 3down10 is trying to tell us that Jimbo going sub .500 in the ACC wasn't his fault.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:13 am to TeLeFaWx
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Jimbo will never have a losing record to LSU.
really young squire
the only thing absolute is that there are no absolutes…
Posted on 9/28/21 at 9:18 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Jimbo Fisher: 98-32 (.742)
so you’re going to compare acc to sec
how many of those 98 are acc cream puffs
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:32 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Interesting that no one gives Ed O this excuse.
Coach O is still your coach, how can anyone excuse him over what someone who hasn't even been hired or played a single game does?
If you hire 2 more coaches after Coach O and people are still blaming Coach O for their performances, then ok you might be on to something.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:33 pm to SidewalkTiger
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I was speaking more toward last season.
Everyone crucified O for going .500 in conference play (and rightfully so) after the offensive line struggled and the backup quarterback went down but 3down10 is trying to tell us that Jimbo going sub .500 in the ACC wasn't his fault.
No dipshit. I'm saying you can't blame Jimbo for what the next 2 coaches did at FSU.
If LSU hires 2 more coaches, are you still going to be blaming Coach O for their records? frick no.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:42 pm to koreandawg
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I'd say he's worse. Neither of those guys left (or will likely leave) their programs in the mess he left FSU. I mean Gus Bus immediately came in and made AU NCship contenders. FSU has been a dumpster fire for years now.
This is 100% myth. People just assume Jimbo took over a #1 FSU team or something, but clearly you guys are clueless.
Jimbo Fishers last season at FSU: 7-6
The so called great team you guys think Jimbo took over:
2003: 10-3
2004: 9-3
2005: 8-5
2006: 7-6
2007: 7-6
2008: 9-4
2009: 7-6
Where the frick are some of you getting this idea that FSU had it so easy when Jimbo took over?
Jimbo:
2010: 10-4
2011: 9-4
2012: 12-2
2013: 14-0 NC
2014: 13-1
2015: 10-3
2016: 10-3
2017: 7-6
Taggart:
2018: 5-7
2019: 6-7
Norvell:
2020: 3-6
2021: 0-4
Anyone who blames Jimbo for that and acts like he inherited a top notch program just doesn't have a remote fricking clue what they are talking about.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:44 pm to Dissident Aggressor
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how many of those 98 are acc cream puffs
Same ACC cream puffs FSU is losing to now.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:50 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Interesting that no one gives Ed O this excuse.
I'll give Ed O that excuse and go on record saying that I think LSU should extend his contract another 20 years.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:53 pm to Dissident Aggressor
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the only thing absolute is that there are no absolutes…
Not true. I am an absolute idiot and my wife will back me up on that.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 2:59 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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He isn't going to win you a championship without an elite player
Name a coach who has won a championship without an elite player.
Posted on 9/28/21 at 3:10 pm to Mulkey Man
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He isn't going to win you a championship without an elite player
quote:This is a true statement that many people choose to ignore.
Name a coach who has won a championship without an elite player.
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