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re: ESPN: Ranking the 10 best coaches in college football for 2025
Posted on 5/18/25 at 9:22 am to BuckI
Posted on 5/18/25 at 9:22 am to BuckI
Regular season
• Alabama: 0-2
• LSU: 0-1
• Ole Miss: 1–2
• Auburn: 6–1
• Mississippi State: 2–0
• Arkansas: 2–0
• Texas A&M: 1–0
12-5
Including Post season
• Alabama: 1–6
• LSU: 1–2
• Ole Miss: 1–2
• Auburn: 6–1
• Mississippi State: 2–0
• Arkansas: 2–0
• Texas A&M: 1–0
14–11
• Alabama: 0-2
• LSU: 0-1
• Ole Miss: 1–2
• Auburn: 6–1
• Mississippi State: 2–0
• Arkansas: 2–0
• Texas A&M: 1–0
12-5
Including Post season
• Alabama: 1–6
• LSU: 1–2
• Ole Miss: 1–2
• Auburn: 6–1
• Mississippi State: 2–0
• Arkansas: 2–0
• Texas A&M: 1–0
14–11
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Posted on 5/18/25 at 9:26 am to Gen Patton
ND went to the natty you idiot
Also, Kirby won the SEC 2 of the last 4 years and played in the last 4.
Best Texas twice all while having Beck and dropped passes at WR
He is #1 and there isn’t a close 2nd
Also, Kirby won the SEC 2 of the last 4 years and played in the last 4.
Best Texas twice all while having Beck and dropped passes at WR
He is #1 and there isn’t a close 2nd
Posted on 5/18/25 at 9:30 am to Gen Patton
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He's the coach of the reigning national champs and had Ohio State relevant in the national title conversation every year he's been there
He would have been playing Mizzou in a NY6 bowl with 30 opt outs if it wasn’t for the change to the 12 team playoff. The graduating OSU class went 0-4 against Michigan, and that was with a 20 million dollar roster, at home, against a 5 loss Michigan team. It was one of the worst coached games in the history of the sport…he literally played the only way you could play and still lose that game.
He wouldn’t even be top 5 on my list if I’m Greg Byrne and looking for a coach, maybe not even top 10. Give guys a heavily stacked deck and enough mulligans and even a below average coach is going to find the right solution through trial and error. That’s what happened, they overcame Day to win anyways, not because of him.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 9:44 am to captdalton
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Judging any coach on their first year at a program is foolhardy. Bear Bryant went 5-4-1 in his first season at Alabama. Nick Saban went 7-6 his first season at Alabama. Kirby Smart went 8-5 his first season at Georgia. Bobby Bowden went 5-6 his first season at Florida State. All are or will be hall of fame coaches, probably all will be considered top 10 coaches all time.
A lot of these coaches inherited worse situations than DeBoer at Bama.
A lot of great coaches had a poor first season at a program where they were ultimately successful primarily because they had mediocre rosters and needed time to recruit better players. The roster was less of a liability for DeBoer in 2024 than Saban in 2007.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 9:45 am to captdalton
What you wrote seems very reasonable to me. Can you, or someone do the tornado feats per capita over the years? And yes, storm occupancies can vary significantly from year to year. Probably need per capita numbers by decades.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 9:50 am to Globetrotter747
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The roster was less of a liability for DeBoer in 2024 than Saban in 2007.
Deboer had a higher percentage of first year players in his first season at Alabama than Kelly did in his first season at LSU. Alabama started 2 true freshmen, one of them a 17 year old. That doesn’t happen unless your roster got decimated by the portal.
Gen Patton has quickly established himself as the new king of bad takes. Glad you got out of county and are able to post again Stephen.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 9:57 am to Victor R Franko
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What you wrote seems very reasonable to me. Can you, or someone do the tornado feats per capita over the years? And yes, storm occupancies can vary significantly from year to year. Probably need per capita numbers by decades.
That sounds like it would take a lot of time and research. There are many things I would rather do on a Sunday. So no. But it would be interesting.
But according to the internet, there were 1,817 tornadoes in 2004. There were 5 F4 storms and 0 F5 storms According to the internet, there were 1,780 tornadoes in 2024. There were 4 F4 storms and 0 F5 storms. Almost the exact same number of total storms and extremely strong storms.
So no, just comparing 2004 versus 2024 there do not appear to be more storms now nor are they stronger. There are just more people getting in their way.
This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 9:58 am
Posted on 5/18/25 at 10:16 am to Buckeye Fan 19
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Freeman beat three final AP top-10 teams in a month in the playoff run. Kelly only beat three in 12 seasons (Stanford 2012, MSU 2013, Clemson 2020
This is such a dumb stat since it came under a system that didn't even exist until 2024-2025 with the expanded playoff.
Kelly's top 10 record at Notre Dame:
L - #22 Notre Dame @ #4 Stanford
W - #20 Notre Dame @ #10 Michigan St
W - #5 Notre Dame @ #8 Oklahoma
L - #1 Notre Dame vs #2 Alabama (National Champ)
L - #25 Notre Dame @ #8 Stanford
L - #5 Notre Dame @ #2 FSU
L - #8 Notre Dame vs #7 OSU (Fiesta Bowl)
L - #3 Notre Dame @ #7 Miami
W - #8 Notre Dame @ #7 Stanford
L - #3 Notre Dame vs #2 Clemson (CFP Semi)
L - #7 Notre Dame @ #3 UGA
W - #4 Notre Dame vs #1 Clemson
L - #2 Notre Dame vs #4 Clemson (ACC Champ)
L - #4 Notre Dame vs #1 Bama (CFP Semi)
L - #9 Notre Dame vs #7 Cincinatti
Marcus Freeman:
L - #5 Notre Dame @ #2 OSU
W - Notre Dame vs #5 Clemson
L - #13 Notre Dame @ #5 USCw
L - #9 Notre Dame vs #6 OSU
W - #21 Notre Dame vs #10 USCw
W - #3 Notre Dame vs #9 Indiana (CFP Home)
W - #3 Notre Dame vs #2 UGA (CFP Quarter)
W - #3 Notre Dame vs #5 PSU (CFP Semi)
L - #3 Notre Dame vs #6 OSU (CFP Champ)
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:35 am to BamaBravesPackers
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I love that LSU fans don’t realize that if Brian Kelly loses in Ttown this year, there is essentially zero chance that he will end his career with a winning record against the coach they love to make fun of. Anyone think BK is going to win 3 straight against DeBoer after starting 0-2 before “choosing” retirement? Not going to happen. If Kirby loses in Athens, he’s got a shot at climbing out of an 0-2 hole but it won’t be easy. Especially since we won’t play them in the regular season again for some time. Sark is already in an 0-2 hole against DeBoer, but he’s got time and we should have them rolling onto the schedule in the coming years. Lanning’s 0-3 hole is probably too much, unless he comes to the SEC or DeBoer ends up in the Big Ten. Don’t think he’ll have enough at bats to go +4 in the next 10-15 years.
You think DeBust will be in Tuscaloosa in 3 years? Lolololoool
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:47 am to RammerJammer91
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I give Freeman somewhat of a pass for his first year. ND fans had been saying that Kelly did a shite job recruiting towards the end and the talent level wasn’t as good as Kelly’s last few years, and they were right.
Domers have extremely low football IQ.
In the 4 classes prior to Kelly leaving, they were 12th, 18th, 14th, and 11th, and the 2022 class he built was 6th. Freeman's 3 classes are 10th, 11th, 12th. It's not that much of a difference.
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I looked it up, but in Freeman’s first year, only 3 players got selected in the next NFL draft. Their QB room was Tyler Buchner and Drew Pyne, who are both awful, so Freeman got screwed by both Kelly and the OC, who ironically was Tommy Rees. In the draft after his 2nd year, over half of their draft picks were in the 5th-7th rounds. That is terrible.
So it's Kelly's fault that Freeman couldn't coach players up? That wasn't a D2 roster he inherited. It was a playoff team.
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and outside of one win with an asterisk, he always lost to teams with better talent.
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His best win at ND was probably Clemson in the COVID year, but that was a fraud win because Clemson was banged up and Lawrence didn’t play
Oh, you're an idiot. Carry on.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 12:08 pm to John Casey
Those are drastically different records. Kelly was 4-11, Freeman is 5-4. A huge difference. And that is why in three seasons Debeor will still be in Tuscaloosa; Freeman will be in South Bend; and Brian Kelly will be at The Palms retirement community in Fort Meyers, FL.
Not only did Kelly lose most games against evenly matched or better teams, he lost a lot very convincingly by 2 or more touchdowns.
2010
ND 14 Stanford 37
ND 17 Navy 35
2011:
ND 17 USC 31
ND 14 Stanford 28
2012
ND 14 Alabama 42
2013
ND 21 Oklahoma 35
2014
ND 31 Arizona State 55
ND 14 USC 49
2015
ND 28 Ohio State 44
2016
ND 27 USC 45
2017
ND 8 Miami 41
ND 20 Stanford 38
2018
ND 3 Clemson 30
2019
ND 14 Michigan 45
2020
ND 10 Clemson 34
ND 14 Alabama 31
It appears bad defense when playing good teams is not a bug in the Kelly system, it is a feature.
Not only did Kelly lose most games against evenly matched or better teams, he lost a lot very convincingly by 2 or more touchdowns.
2010
ND 14 Stanford 37
ND 17 Navy 35
2011:
ND 17 USC 31
ND 14 Stanford 28
2012
ND 14 Alabama 42
2013
ND 21 Oklahoma 35
2014
ND 31 Arizona State 55
ND 14 USC 49
2015
ND 28 Ohio State 44
2016
ND 27 USC 45
2017
ND 8 Miami 41
ND 20 Stanford 38
2018
ND 3 Clemson 30
2019
ND 14 Michigan 45
2020
ND 10 Clemson 34
ND 14 Alabama 31
It appears bad defense when playing good teams is not a bug in the Kelly system, it is a feature.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 12:14 pm to SidewalkTiger
quote:"Gone", not "went."
He took over a program that had went 32-5 (.864) over the previous three seasons, and he has went 33-9 (.785) over his first three
Posted on 5/18/25 at 12:17 pm to TideSaint
Whittingham deserves to be above Katelyn
Posted on 5/18/25 at 12:21 pm to captdalton
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Deboer had a higher percentage of first year players in his first season at Alabama than Kelly did in his first season at LSU. Alabama started 2 true freshmen, one of them a 17 year old. That doesn’t happen unless your roster got decimated by the portal.
2022 LSU started two true freshmen, just on the offensive line
Posted on 5/18/25 at 12:30 pm to TideSaint
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Bill Belichick, North Carolina
Embarrassing because what has he done in college?
Posted on 5/18/25 at 12:30 pm to Jake88
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"Gone", not "went."
Brother, you can't even properly capitalize words and you miss basic commas.
This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 5/18/25 at 12:41 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Brother, you can't even properly capitalize words and you miss basic commas.
At least he knows how to fricking talk.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 12:43 pm to TideSaint
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At least he knows how to fricking talk.
Looking at your struggles, I can see why you believe that.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 1:12 pm to cajunbama
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the frenetic defense
Posted on 5/18/25 at 1:12 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Looking at your struggles,
You share a driveway with your neighbor.
Struggles.
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