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re: Equal Talent - Better Coach, Mullen or Saban?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:29 am to lsupride87
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:29 am to lsupride87
That chart is a bit different now, though. It looks like that chart was pre-2015.
5 Conference Titles
6 BCS/Playoff Wins
4 BCS/Playoff Titles
12-12 vs Top 10 end of year
33-15 vs Top 25 end of year
But, it doesn't change the overall contrast between Carroll and Saban. It is very interesting how contrasting the styles are and how the stats bear it out.
5 Conference Titles
6 BCS/Playoff Wins
4 BCS/Playoff Titles
12-12 vs Top 10 end of year
33-15 vs Top 25 end of year
But, it doesn't change the overall contrast between Carroll and Saban. It is very interesting how contrasting the styles are and how the stats bear it out.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:31 am
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:31 am to BamaGradinTn
quote:Who cares? He still has a talent and depth advantage in almost every single game.
What's his record in conference championship games?
quote:What is a single game going to tell us? All I said is that there are several coaches that are arguably as good as or better game day and Xs and Os coaches. I didn't say Saban was bad. shite, I called him the best cfb coach there is. Quit being so insecure.
Was there a big talent gap between Alabama and Florida in 2009? Was Greg McElroy more talented than Tim Tebow? Yet which one was the SECCG MVP? You don't think that was due in large part because of game day coaching?
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:34 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:32 am to SummerOfGeorge
The one who should start feeling a bit of heat on this type of issue is Meyer. His teams are not very far behind Saban in terms of overall talent and depth, and they have really become underachievers post-national title. They lose games they shouldn't and have gotten blown out in their last 2 big games.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:33 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:32 am to cave canem
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I have mixed feelings on this, to be the best ever IMHO he would have to have taken a program from the hinterlands to the top and there have been a few to have done that.
Alabama had facilities and history but he took over a bad program.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:34 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:33 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Pre-2016. In my post
That chart is a bit different now, though. It looks like that chart was pre-2015.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:34 am to lsupride87
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Saban was 8-10 against top 10 teams going into the 2016 season at Bama(equal competition, as Bama has also finished in the top 10). Look at my chart.
Sorry I can't trust your chart since it is full of inaccuracies if it includes all seasons going into last season. Saban won the SEC in 2009, 2012, 2014 and 2015. It's like you completely left out the 2015 season even though you say it is going into the 2016 season.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:35 am to lsupride87
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Pre-2016. In my post
It had Saban with 3 Titles so I assumed it didn't include 2015.
Either way, like I said, it is a super interesting chart. It plainly maps out the differences in the two guys but also shows how in the end they were both so great.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:36 am to SummerOfGeorge
It could be pre 2015. It is pulled from a thread along time ago
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:37 am to lsupride87
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Pre-2016. In my post
Your chart doesn't include the 2015 season that Saban went 14-1 and won the BCS title. That would make it 9 seasons for each coach.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:37 am to lsupride87
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It could be pre 2015. It is pulled from a thread along time ago
It was/is a good chart that I remember from back in the day. Well done sir.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:39 am to lsupride87
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LINK
Hey look there I am! And it looks like I literally copied and pasted my thoughts from then to today. Guess that makes me feel good that I'm a stubborn mule hahaha.
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I feel like that is a pretty clear difference in the coaching/management philosophies of the 2. Saban, no emotion, treat every play like it has a life of it's own. Carroll, emotion, which can lead to blow the doors off performances but letdowns against lower level teams.
Both are/were elite coaches
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:41 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
And if you include 2016 Saban would be 12-12 vs top 10 at the end of the year(although getting credit for USC from last year seems cheap 
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:42 am to cave canem
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I have mixed feelings on this, to be the best ever IMHO he would have to have taken a program from the hinterlands to the top and there have been a few to have done that.
Saban took over the Michigan State dumpster fire in 1995. When he left for LSU in 1999, Sparty was 9-2. While 9-2 may not qualify as the top, it certainly exceeded Sparty's ceiling.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:43 am to lsupride87
quote:Conclusion: Saban is exactly average against equal talent.
And if you include 2016 Saban would be 12-12 vs top 10 at the end of the year
:trollface:
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:45 am to PearlJam
quote:Actually the talent still isnt equal, just closer.
Conclusion: Saban is exactly average against equal talent.
Bama still had far more talent than Clemson last year for example
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:46 am to PearlJam
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Conclusion: Saban is exactly average against equal talent.
On the flip side, if you aren't a Top 10 caliber team you have basically zero shot at beating him. 4 losses to teams that didn't finish the Top 10 since 2008. That's 1 every 2 years.
Good thing our league sucks!
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:46 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:47 am to lsupride87
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Bama still had far more talent than Clemson last year for example
I wouldn't say far more. The NFL draft has and will prove that out. We were and are certainly deeper, but that Clemson team had Top 2-3 round picks out the wazoo.
And, Clemson had the great equalizer. A great, great college QB (and great college receivers). Which, if you examine most of the games we lost to teams with "less talent", is the great equalizer that almost all of them had. Can cover up a lot of talent deficiencies.
Sure would be nice to have one of those at some point.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:50 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:It did.
The NFL draft has and will prove that out
Bama had 10 draft picks last year to clemsons 6
Bama has 9 draft picks taken in the first 3 rounds, clemson had 3
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:50 am to DeltaDoc
Saban and Belichick are the only 2 coaches on the planet I would vote for president. So I'm gonna have to go with Sabah on this one and you'd be hard pressed to tell me otherwise
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