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re: Eight Million Dollar Man Nico Iamaleava...

Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:58 am to
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:58 am to
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Odds that he finishes with better college stats than Jaxson Dart, Quinn Ewers, or Carson Beck??



What are the odds hes drafted higher than any of those guys?

Not 50-50, but pretty good I'd say.
Posted by SouthernInsanity
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:04 am to
Is that his real last name or an invented name?? Seems like something you read on a note card.... "don't call me, cause iamaleava town first thang"
Posted by Bandit1980
God's Country
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:10 am to
UA had nothing but 9* players, ask them, just reload. So by their own standards that their fourth string players are better than anyone else's first string should have come into play.


When you have 2* players that are given 3 more *'s because they sign with Rammer Jammer it looks really good right?
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8072 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:13 am to
So does Alabama have nothing but 9 star players? Or nothing but 2 star players? Your post is confusing.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
889 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:59 am to
So you're basically guaranteeing that he's a high 1st round pick if he's doing better than those guys. I think at least one of them will be a 1st rounder since they all came back.

I think it's about a 1/4 chance
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:40 am to
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I think it's about a 1/4 chance


I mean all things equal between 4 guys equals a 1/4th chance

If we are talking top 10 I think Nico has the best shot of those guys if we are looking at it just based on what we know today.

If Ewers had gotten good feedback from the NFL he would have gone this year. He is losing some key offensive weapons and playing a tougher schedule.

Beck I think just wanted to come back and was given a great NIL deal, but there may have been a bit of the same thing on the NFL feedback too. He is losing the best CFB TE ever and some other weapons that were really underrated, and playing a tougher schedule.

Dart is a curious case, though I think there was a bit of the NFL feedback thing here as well. He played a pretty tough schedule but didn't exactly always light it up.

I'm trying to be objective on Nico here, but obviously I am biased... if you look at his build, the throws he has put on tape so far (albeit in very limited action), and the mobility he has shown at his size, I think he is the most likely of the 4 mentioned to be in the top 10. That said, I'm not expecting that out of him (because thats foolish to throw that on a kid, plus there are other factors like the other QBs coming out that year that influence draft position), I'm just saying he is capable.

I think its something like 35-40% Nico is the highest drafted of the group, the field is 60%. And that might be something like Nico 40%, Ewers 10%, Dart 15%, and Beck 35%. Its close.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:54 am to
We are just speculating and spitting out guesses.

As for Beck, the NFL is prioritizing college reps based on prior busts/hits. 1 year wonders in college football are not carrying the cache in the pros any longer.

His decision to come back is rooted most in that feedback.

Carson does have some things to improve upon though.
His deep ball success rate had room for improvement.
And his redzone numbers have room for improvement.
The UGA staff has done an amazing job the past 4 offseasons turning a player's questionmarks into strengths.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32860 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:57 am to
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Brock bowers left California to goto uga because of the good ole fashioned football practices.


It looks like you forgot that Brock wasn’t even a top 100 recruit.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
1857 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:04 pm to
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the NFL is prioritizing college reps based on prior busts/hits. 1 year wonders in college football are not carrying the cache in the pros any longer.


I don't know if this is really true, or its just a product of guys playing more because of the COVID year and then because there are established starters at big programs there isn't the opportunity for these one year guys to blow up like they used to. That and guys are coming in more ready to start in college and these multi-year starters were just studs who were always gonna go high. Plus now with the transfer portal its easier for guys to go and get a starting job earlier if they have that kind of ability... you don't have to sit and wait behind a guy only a year older than you if you don't want to.

Right before COVID you had Burrow and Kyler go back to back, both only having one stellar year in college. Both have been good pros. Then you had Trevor who we all knew was going to go number 1 that year really before he even took a snap at Clemson. If Spencer Rattler hadn't been kind of a bust at OU you're potentially talking about Caleb Williams as a one year starter being taken number 1 this year.

Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17909 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:52 pm to
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Now show the 2021 Natty and your recent playoff game.

Friendly reminder, there people with driver's licenses that have only be alive for 1 uga win vs alabama
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:18 pm to
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Right before COVID you had Burrow and Kyler go back to back, both only having one stellar year in college. Both have been good pros

Burrow was a 2 year starter.
And there really wasnt anything "wrong" with his 2018 production.
He is actually an example of why the NFL likes 2 years starting.

As for Kyler Murray, which one was his good post season game?
What does he do extremely well in the NFL?
I always thought of him as just another guy.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:22 pm to
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Then you had Trevor who we all knew was going to go number 1 that year really before he even took a snap at Clemson.

Trevor started over 2 years.

quote:

Caleb Williams

Started over 2 years. 1000 pass attempts in college.

How far back do you have to go to find a stud in the NFL who was a 1 year starter with under 500 career college attempts?
Posted by GamecockUltimate
Columbia,SC
Member since Feb 2019
6805 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:22 pm to
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3 years as a starter in Heupels O with the talent around him? Absolutely. No question.

In 4 years of play Beck will likely end up around 7,000 yards, 4 to 1 TD to Int, 140 yards rushing.

Dart will likely see closer to 1500 yards rushing and closer to 9,000 yards passing with a 4 to 1 td to Int ratio.

Ewers is likely to be around 9,000 yards passing, maybe 50 yards rushing and 3 to 1 td to Int.

Assuming 2-3 more years for Nico there is no reason to believe he will not pass Beck in every category and only trail in passing yards to the other two due to not playing his 4th year of eligibility.


Don't be shocked when people don't believe a tenessee mans prediction... especially when we saw a few people say the same things about Milton
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
1857 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:24 pm to
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Burrow was a 2 year starter.
And there really wasnt anything "wrong" with his 2018 production.
He is actually an example of why the NFL likes 2 years starting.


Whats the difference in being meh one year then stellar the next vs just being stellar for one year? He had one blowup year. 2018 Burrow is like a 5th rounder or undrafted.

quote:

As for Kyler Murray, which one was his good post season game?
What does he do extremely well in the NFL?
I always thought of him as just another guy.


Ah so now the goalposts have moved, gotcha
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
1857 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:27 pm to
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Trevor started over 2 years.


I know, hes an example of guy who started early, but like I said he was always going number 1. He isn't an example of the NFL liking someone because he started multiple years.

Guys just being these transcendent type talents aren't good examples of your argument because there are always those guys occasionally and the NFL will take them regardless of 1 year starting vs 3.

quote:

Caleb Williams

Started over 2 years. 1000 pass attempts in college.

How far back do you have to go to find a stud in the NFL who was a 1 year starter with under 500 career college attempts?


I literally explained this example in my original comment and you either ignored it or just didn't read it
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
1857 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:29 pm to
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Don't be shocked when people don't believe a tenessee mans prediction... especially when we saw a few people say the same things about Milton



Thats fair, but I think most reasonable people outside the UT bubble would acknowledge that the number 1 QB who has already flashed against a great defense is different than a guy who we knew (or should have known for some posters) wasn't accurate and had already failed as a starter.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:36 pm to
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Whats the difference in being meh one year then stellar the next vs just being stellar for one year?


Ask the NFL
The data shows they favor game starts and pass attempts.

And the only thing that makes 2018 "meh" was how stupidly awesome 2019 was.
Burrow was arguably the 2nd or 3rd best QB on the SEC in 2018.
quote:


Ah so now the goalposts have moved, gotcha

If you want to hang yourself on Kyler Murray as the "gotcha" 1 year starter, then that is a very sad "best case scenario".

You already provided me 4 great examples of why the NFL likes multi-year starters.
Keep typing before your brain catches up. I'd love to see more reasons why I'm right (and a Vol is wrong as usual about the QB position)
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:39 pm to
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you either ignored it or just didn't read it

I read it. I thanked you for the example of a 2+ year starter.
And I asked you a question that you gleefully ignored.

What's the matter colonel sanders?
Are you chicken?
How far back do you have to go to find the stud 1 year college starter who tore up the NFL?

Based on the quoted reply, I'm going to have to expect several non-answers.
This was your point in responding to me.
You'd think you would be able to actually come up with one.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
1857 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:55 pm to
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I read it. I thanked you for the example of a 2+ year starter.


Your own initial example wasn't about "starters" though, it was "one year wonders", which Burrow is the shining example of. So I mentioned Burrow because we were going by your own definition, and you try to change the argument.

And I've only been talking about number 1 overall picks and still managed to get 2 examples (at least of what we were originally supposedly talking about until your brain malfunctioned) in the last 5 years.


Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32860 posts
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:57 pm to
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Your own initial example wasn't about "starters" though, it was "one year wonders"


He specifically said this:

quote:

NFL is prioritizing college reps
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