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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:01 pm to meansonny
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:01 pm to meansonny
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You already provided me 4 great examples of why the NFL likes multi-year starters.
Keep typing before your brain catches up. I'd love to see more reasons why I'm right (and a Vol is wrong as usual about the QB position)
Moving the goalposts again
"Liking" multi year starters better isn't the same as "prioritizing" it. The NFL has shown twice in the last 5 years that they will draft QBs who have one good year as high as they can possibly go in the draft. Thats all the evidence I need, but you will continue to flounder and move the goalposts, but the only thing you will accomplish is looking as foolish as everyone already knows you are.
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:04 pm to VolSquatch
All the stuff with Nico sounds a lot like all the stuff with Milton did after his bowl game.
Maybe he'll end up being good, but a single bowl performance doesn't provide a lot of evidence that he will. I would have thought UT fans would have learned their lesson after last year.
Maybe he'll end up being good, but a single bowl performance doesn't provide a lot of evidence that he will. I would have thought UT fans would have learned their lesson after last year.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:06 pm to djsdawg
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He specifically said this:
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NFL is prioritizing college reps
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the NFL is prioritizing college reps based on prior busts/hits. 1 year wonders in college football are not carrying the cache in the pros any longer.
Nothing about only starting for one year in there.
And none of the players mentioned going back for "more reps" even had good enough years to be considered a "one year wonder". Beck, Ewers, and Dart didn't do close to what Burrow and Kyler did, so its almost a different argument.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:07 pm to DawginSC
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All the stuff with Nico sounds a lot like all the stuff with Milton did after his bowl game.
Maybe he'll end up being good, but a single bowl performance doesn't provide a lot of evidence that he will. I would have thought UT fans would have learned their lesson after last year.
I don't think its a foregone conclusion that he will be good. I think based on the data we have its more likely than not, but its far from certain.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:12 pm to VolSquatch
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Nothing about only starting for one year in there.
It was obviously implied:
Low reps = one year starters.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:22 pm to VolSquatch
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The NFL has shown twice in the last 5 years that they will draft QBs who have one good year as high as they can possibly go in the draft.
Who are those 2?
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Thats all the evidence I need,
It is probably also the evidence that the NFL uses to encourage players to get more starts under their belt.
It is funny how that works out.
The NFL is a copycat league.
If something is working, other franchises copy it.
If something isn't working, other franchises avoid it.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:26 pm to VolSquatch
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the NFL is prioritizing college reps based on prior busts/hits. 1 year wonders in college football are not carrying the cache in the pros any longer.
Nothing about only starting for one year in there.
No goalposts being moved.
It literally was in the NFL feedback to Carson Beck about the 2024 NFL draft prospects.
Which is why I pointed it out.
Beck has NFL size and armstrength.
His strengths are presnap and post snap reads and completing NFL level throws.
The only thing the NFL wants from him is more experience before he comes out (Beck led the SEC last year in passing attempts, completions, yards and did that without his top 2 targets playing together healthy all season).
Posted on 2/5/24 at 4:30 pm to VolSquatch
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And I've only been talking about number 1 overall picks and still managed to get 2 examples (at least of what we were originally supposedly talking about until your brain malfunctioned) in the last 5 years.
Who are your 2 examples of one year college starters who were #1 overall picks?
I'm trying to figure out if they are examples to other franchises for the best way to gather talent. Or maybe if they are hard life lessons which give other franchises an example of something to avoid
Posted on 2/5/24 at 5:19 pm to meansonny
My two examples of “one year wonders” are burrow and Kyler. Kyler was a one year starter
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:46 pm to VolSquatch
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My two examples of “one year wonders” are burrow and Kyler. Kyler was a one year starter
We already discussed Burrow (2 year starter). He's evidence on my side.
Maybe you know something about Kyler Murray that I don't. Is he one of the better #1 picks in the league?
You can get away from the #1 overall pick and list examples of 1 year college starters taken in the first round that have taken the NFL by storm.
I expect you to keep dodging this.
Your mind is made up.
In your head, NFL execs wouldn't tell college kids that they want 2 years starting.
You are a Vol fan. No Vol fan can ever be wrong about the NFL and QBs.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:28 am to meansonny
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We already discussed Burrow (2 year starter). He's evidence on my side.
Because we are having separate discussions since you saw you were clearly incorrect and changed the argument
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Maybe you know something about Kyler Murray that I don't. Is he one of the better #1 picks in the league?
Being a top 5 or even top 10 QB in the league wasn't the argument (another goalpost moved), hes a good NFL QB who got a massive second contract.
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Your mind is made up.
In your head, NFL execs wouldn't tell college kids that they want 2 years starting.
I didn't say that, I said I don't think the NFL is necessarily prioritizing guys with more starting experience over guys who have one insane blow up year. If two guys were exactly the same scouting wise but one guy started longer and most importantly his prior years weren't huge outliers to the year when he came out, then sure.
The argument is guys with 1 blowup year but either only started one year or their blowup year was a huge outlier vs guys who maybe didn't have a Heisman type season but were consistently pretty good.
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You are a Vol fan. No Vol fan can ever be wrong about the NFL and QBs.
At least you're correct about something
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:19 am to VolSquatch
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Because we are having separate discussions since you saw you were clearly incorrect and changed the argument
The implication went over your head.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:43 am to VolSquatch
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I mean all things equal between 4 guys equals a 1/4th chance
That is the most retarded math logic I have ever read. Congrats on your Tennessee Edumication 
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:56 am to djsdawg
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The implication went over your head.
Not at all.
If you have a year like Burrow had, a "one year wonder", you don't need more reps. The NFL was clearly convinced enough to take him first overall. And he has been a great pro.
"Going back for more reps" implies you didn't have a year good enough to be considered a one year wonder in the first place. Ewers, Dart, or even Beck would not be labeled as such because their good seasons were not exceptional.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:59 am to TrackDawg
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That is the most retarded math logic I have ever read. Congrats on your Tennessee Edumication
If you have 4 options and each option has an equal chance at occurring, what are the % odds (so probability in fraction form) for each individual option?
The betting odds are completely different
You might literally be the dumbest person on this site
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 8:05 am
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:54 am to VolSquatch
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Not at all.
You have to put the whole statement together to gather all of the relevant context to fully understand the implication. You chose to ignore a major part of it, which led to your misunderstanding.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:00 am to captdalton
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Speaking of depth.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:02 am to djsdawg
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The implication went over your head.
I doubt you can define implication in your own words.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:10 am to djsdawg
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You have to put the whole statement together to gather all of the relevant context to fully understand the implication. You chose to ignore a major part of it, which led to your misunderstanding.
And you're ignoring that our definitions of "one year wonder" being different is what actually caused the misunderstanding.
Google "Joe Burrow One year wonder". DOZENS of hits about it being a concern from the pre-draft process in 2020. So even though he had "more reps" from his 2018 year, its a commonly held opinion that he is a "one year wonder". The reps comment isn't explicitly related, though he made it related to his point once I provided multiple examples from a really narrow sample size (1st overall picks only going back 5 years).
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:10 am to Smokeyone
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I doubt you can define implication in your own words.
He clearly can't
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