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Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:11 pm to Crowknowsbest
UVA has no risk of being left in the cold. They either go SEC or Big 1G. VTech OTOH needs the SEC as the Big 1G may not take them as they are not an AAU school though they are solid academically.
No way is NC/Duke to the SEC happening though, that's a negative financial move to add 2 NC schools and esp because Duke is a small private school with garbage football and really nothing outside of basketball. When Coach K leaves who knows if they even keep that up.
It has always been NC and either UVA/Va Tech. NC State is a reach. It's controlled by UNC for one so UNC would have to approve. That also means you would have an SEC school controlled by a Non SEC school which is a huge negative. State also is average to below average in just about every way and is not an AAU member. By SEC standards they would be below the Mississippi schools in terms of football for sure, they haven't even won the pathetic ACC since 1979. They are also no better than the 3rd best basketball school in their own state and Wake has a good argument there.
Make no mistake, UNC doesn't want the ACC to break up but they also want to protect themselves. In the end though UNC and UVA are the prettiest girls in the room with the options. Every college President in the SEC and Big 1G would do flips in order to add them as they are both Top 10 Public schools with HUGE prestige and influence in the AAU.
No way is NC/Duke to the SEC happening though, that's a negative financial move to add 2 NC schools and esp because Duke is a small private school with garbage football and really nothing outside of basketball. When Coach K leaves who knows if they even keep that up.
It has always been NC and either UVA/Va Tech. NC State is a reach. It's controlled by UNC for one so UNC would have to approve. That also means you would have an SEC school controlled by a Non SEC school which is a huge negative. State also is average to below average in just about every way and is not an AAU member. By SEC standards they would be below the Mississippi schools in terms of football for sure, they haven't even won the pathetic ACC since 1979. They are also no better than the 3rd best basketball school in their own state and Wake has a good argument there.
Make no mistake, UNC doesn't want the ACC to break up but they also want to protect themselves. In the end though UNC and UVA are the prettiest girls in the room with the options. Every college President in the SEC and Big 1G would do flips in order to add them as they are both Top 10 Public schools with HUGE prestige and influence in the AAU.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:15 pm to MrTide33
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Just looked at the stats for 2010-2011 Most profitable programs.
#20- Kentucky
Football.
Won't happen for 2012 with 18K in the stands for the last two games....
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:20 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Won't happen for 2012 with 18K in the stands for the last two games....
The year before they were #19. Basketball programs that made the cut were, in this order:
#16 Louisville (uh-oh)
#26 Duke
#28 Arizona
#31 UNC
#32 Ohio State
#34 Syracuse
#42 Wisconsin
#43 Indiana
#45 Illinois
#47 Minnesota
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:28 pm to aggressor
I generally agree, but it would still be unpopular for VT to leave UVa first. UVa definitely won't get left out in the cold, you're right about that.
I do think it will be tremendously difficult for the SEC to get either UNC or UVA. Those two will do whatever it takes to stick together. They have a long-standing relationship and very similar interests. They both, especially UVA, view the SEC as an inferior academic conference. UVA and UNC alumni I know generally look down on the SEC, whether that's fair or not.
VT and NC State is the likely option for the SEC, IMO
I do think it will be tremendously difficult for the SEC to get either UNC or UVA. Those two will do whatever it takes to stick together. They have a long-standing relationship and very similar interests. They both, especially UVA, view the SEC as an inferior academic conference. UVA and UNC alumni I know generally look down on the SEC, whether that's fair or not.
VT and NC State is the likely option for the SEC, IMO
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:28 pm to MrTide33
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#16 Louisville (uh-oh)
They run a pretty profitable program at the price of being a billboard campus. Everything down to the practice facilities are named after YUM! Brands (i.e. KFC, Taco Bell, etc).
Kentucky's thing is they spend about as much as they make in basketball (:nb4playersareexpensive:).
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:30 pm to BluegrassBelle
Recruits are expensive
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:31 pm to DMagic
Damn you.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:31 pm to BluegrassBelle
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(:nb4playersareexpensive:).
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:33 pm to Crowknowsbest
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UVa and UNC are tying themselves together. Academically they have similar interest and UNC doesn't want to get screwed because of Duke (brings nothing to the table in football, the most important thing in this mess). UVa and UNC want to save the ACC, but if it falls apart they will leave, most likely to the B1G, but maybe to the SEC.
common sense there - their academics make UNC and UVA a good fit for the Big 10. Duke fits academically but brings in less revenue from their football program
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Clemson and FSU will leave for the Big 12 if Maryland gets around the buyout. GT and/or Miami may join them if the B1G doesn't want them.
FSU, Clemson, Ga Tech, and Louisville are the schools that would make some sense as additions to the Big 12 - they might also like schools like Va Tech, NC State etc but those schools are unlikely to choose the Big 12 over the SEC
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:41 pm to Crowknowsbest
I don't doubt that many UVA (moreso) and UNC grads look down on the SEC and feel positively toward the Big 1G. In the end though, the money difference and overall fit is far better in the SEC and the SEC has come a long way with adding 2 more AAU members in A&M and Mizzou to change the academic perception of the conference.
It really is going to be an SEC/Big 1G decision in the end and the pros of the SEC from a cultural fit (UVA and UNC are still Southern schools even if they aren't as "Southern" as Bama). The numbers from the SEC Network are also going to be astounding and far surpass the Big 1G. Remember Slive is also a UVA grad as well which doesn't hurt. More than that though UVA and UNC would have to think about playing games in Wisconsin and Minnesota with the closest games being at Penn State, Maryland, and Rutgers whereas the SEC offers a ton of close venues and better regional balance. As a close though if they leave for the Big 1G they let VT and NC State get all that SEC money and advantages which may be more than they can stand.
It really is going to be an SEC/Big 1G decision in the end and the pros of the SEC from a cultural fit (UVA and UNC are still Southern schools even if they aren't as "Southern" as Bama). The numbers from the SEC Network are also going to be astounding and far surpass the Big 1G. Remember Slive is also a UVA grad as well which doesn't hurt. More than that though UVA and UNC would have to think about playing games in Wisconsin and Minnesota with the closest games being at Penn State, Maryland, and Rutgers whereas the SEC offers a ton of close venues and better regional balance. As a close though if they leave for the Big 1G they let VT and NC State get all that SEC money and advantages which may be more than they can stand.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:52 pm to aggressor
You make a lot of good points. Culturally and geographically the SEC is definitely a better fit. The SEC has also come a long way academically from where it was, there's no doubt about that.
Just a few things to consider:
The B1G's TV deal may be plenty big to satisfy UVA and UNC. That's a decision that the schools will have to make themselves. But I do know that they have plenty of money already, so that is probably not the most important factor to them.
Also, speaking about UVA especially, I don't think they really care about whether other member schools are technically in the AAU or not. It's all about reputation, and AAU status is just a part of that. The SEC still doesn't have the best academic image. UVA sees themselves as one of the nation's premier universities in general, and at least one of the nations top 2-3 public universities, if not the best. UVA's attitude toward the SEC is probably not fair, but it is what it is.
Just a few things to consider:
The B1G's TV deal may be plenty big to satisfy UVA and UNC. That's a decision that the schools will have to make themselves. But I do know that they have plenty of money already, so that is probably not the most important factor to them.
Also, speaking about UVA especially, I don't think they really care about whether other member schools are technically in the AAU or not. It's all about reputation, and AAU status is just a part of that. The SEC still doesn't have the best academic image. UVA sees themselves as one of the nation's premier universities in general, and at least one of the nations top 2-3 public universities, if not the best. UVA's attitude toward the SEC is probably not fair, but it is what it is.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:57 pm to WildcatMike
If this happens Bama will have to play both next year and drop LSU and A&M.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:58 pm to Crowknowsbest
City of Lexington owns Rupp Arena. Hence, UK is losing out major bucks in revenue in basketball. Still, UK is not in the red as one said.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 12:59 pm to WildcatMike
Louisville going to take a hit (little) when they go to the ACC. Majority of their profits are beer sales at football and basketball games.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:05 pm to WildcatMike
UK is not in the red because it gets a full share of all SEC Football TV and Bowl money and the basketball is gravy. UK also does a halfway decent job of getting football attendance considering how bad the program is.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:19 pm to Crowknowsbest
Don't disagree about any of your points but as I said it will come down to a decision of conflicting priorities. The Big 1G is certainly stronger in academic reputation than the SEC and that isn't going to change, however the SEC may have improved enough to be "acceptable". In fact, if you added UVA and UNC to the SEC the ratings and perception of the conferences would change drastically overnight. That would give the SEC effectively 3 Top 20 schools and 3 additional AAU members with 3 others that are on the cusp in UGA, Bama, and Auburn. At least most of the SEC schools are the Flagship schools in their State as well.
The key is not if the Big 1G is better but if it is so much better than the SEC that they feel they have to go there. Realize as well that the ACC has some pretty mediocre academic schools mixed in with the Big Boys as well and if they add Louisville that is a major downgrade.
The key is not if the Big 1G is better but if it is so much better than the SEC that they feel they have to go there. Realize as well that the ACC has some pretty mediocre academic schools mixed in with the Big Boys as well and if they add Louisville that is a major downgrade.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:22 pm to WildcatMike
https://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?forum_id=5&topic_id=1890762&page=1&nomobile=1
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Topic: Mike Slive is the smartest man in college football.
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Jim Delaney is the second.
If you think the B1G is sitting around waiting, you're foolish.
Pitt, Maryland, Notre Dame, and possibly Rutgers/Missouri are their likely targets because of their AAU requirement for conference membership.
And Slive is waiting patiently. Why isn't the 14th team crystal clear? Because the ACC is still a strong conference that hasn't cannibalized itself.
Slive wants the UNC/Duke rivalry. I garundamntee it. The SEC would instantly become the strongest conference in football and basketball. He wants two more academic schools as well. He is waiting for the B1G to strike before he makes his move.
I'm calling it now. Remember this thread when we are back here in a year and Duke/UNC are in our conference.
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posted 11:27a, 08/17/11
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:29 pm to TeLeFaWx
Seriously? No one says anything about my Nostradamus skills?
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:35 pm to aggressor
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UK is not in the red because it gets a full share of all SEC Football TV and Bowl money and the basketball is gravy. UK also does a halfway decent job of getting football attendance considering how bad the program is.
UK was also a large part of the basketball portion of that ESPN TV contract. They're also routinely in the Top 10 (Top 5 last I saw) in terms of merchandise sales. Football may drive things but UK doesn't do as awful as perceived either.
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