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re: Dual threat QB. Pendulum shifting?
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:59 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 1/7/25 at 8:59 am to Pettifogger
I agree..riley lenard is a threat for sure with his legs. He always seems to make the right decision on when to run. if the dl get pushed out of their lanes and no one is open he's taking off. I bet he's made 50 first down's running the ball.
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:01 am to Bamafig
Look In the NFL. How many run first QBs winning titles? It’s the NFL now. Elite QB wins when talent is spread out.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:05 am to Bamafig
quote:Riley Leonard is a running qb he isn’t even dual threat. Turrible take
Although athletic and able to move in and around the pocket, the four remaining QB’s are not considered “dual threat”.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:09 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
If Leonard is then so is John Mateer.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:13 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Leonard is not a dual threat in the sense of Cam, Johnny Football, Lamar, Mahomes, etc. just running for some yards is not what I’m talking about at all, but you know that, if you read what I actually said.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:16 am to UFMatt
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What if the NCAA banned the shotgun snap. Mandating all snaps had to be taken under center. What would that do to the game?
The basketball teams would have more players as a result
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:20 am to Bamafig
I did read. My point is Riley is as much of a runner as cam or Tim Tebow. You’re wrong 
now the other 3 qbs are exactly what you said but Riley is a runner. Hell he just had a game where he only threw for 90 yards
now the other 3 qbs are exactly what you said but Riley is a runner. Hell he just had a game where he only threw for 90 yards This post was edited on 1/7/25 at 9:20 am
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:33 am to Bamafig
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I feel like we are seeing more teams committing to a traditional run game because of this. It’s not the full blown fullback lead power, but more like the NFL pattern. PSU, ND and OSU (to a less extent) want to run first.
I am not seeing this at all. I am seeing deep-south run-heavy teams like Auburn, Bama, and Georgia that have always featured the RB use the QB instead. Georgia ranked 15th out of 16 conference teams in rushing yards per game. Milroe outpaced his leading RB by 70 plus carries despite Bama boasting NFLU at RB for a decade, and Auburn used to be RBU yet it averaged more passing first downs than rushing first downs. LSU last year didnt even feature a traditional running attack with Jayden Daniels. Jayden Daniels got all the rushing yards, so there was nothing traditional about it.
I have noticed a trend of teams becoming successful trying to milk (the new running clock) with great defense, a solid 4 yards per carry and a few clutch passes from the QB. Leonard and that Pavia are two that come to mind so I consider them game-managers with muscle.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:37 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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All I know is, QBs pretending to pass sending all WRs on go-routes then designed scramble is the worst aspect of football.
That's what you get when all the young OCs grew up playing with Michael Vick on Madden.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:44 am to Bamafig
I don't know the answer, but I know this is/was AWESOME!!
Posted on 1/7/25 at 9:51 am to Landmass
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Dart was the perfect mixture.
Dart was all show and no go. Ole Miss could win some games but couldn't make the Playoff.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:13 am to Bamafig
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the four remaining QB’s are not considered “dual threat”
Riley Leonard has 800+ rushing yards and 15 rushing TD this year. Against UGA he had 14 carries for 80 yards and 24 passes for 90 yards.
Will Howard is to a lesser extent dual threat but he has 7 rushing TD this year and well over 1000 career rushing yards.
Ewers is really the only true pocket passer left.
In the SEC alone you had Milroe, Sellers, Green, Reed, Pavia, Hawkins. What are you even talking about?
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:16 am to MtVernon
quote:The defense.
Who cares what the QB does?
So that kinda flies in the face of the rest of your post.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:40 am to Bamafig
More often than not, if you win Time of Possession and the turnover battle, you will win the game.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:46 am to Bamafig
It does look like in this era you've got to run the football. hard to pinpoint the exact reason. you don't want a dual threat but you want a guy who can bail you out with his legs - not afraid to run when the first down is there.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:51 am to Bamafig
To use a very old English saying "different horses for different courses." Planning on running the flexbone? It would behoove you to have a running QB who can still bomb away from time to time. Spread option? It is even more important to have a fast QB than the bone. Peyton Manning was a great QB but I don't think running the speed option would have been his thing.
Can a more traditional offense use a mobile QB? Sure. People forget that Terry Bradshaw was incredibly mobile back in the day. Matt Jones, with his freakish speed saved Houston Nutt's career by pulling off crazy plays out of nowhere. But... Bradshaw was always banged up and had his career end early. Jones spent entire seasons hobbled up. Your QB is going to take a beating running the ball. And unlike RBs they don't sub out for several plays to get a breather. Unless he's just inhuman a running QB is going to pick up at least nagging injuries.
Army, earlier this season, was unstoppable on offense. They had a true triple threat offense going with Daily at QB, Udoh at FB/RB, and Short as the SB/WR. And then Daily got banged up, missed a game, and when he came back didn't have that explosive burst he had before. They kept winning, other than two bad losses to Notre Dame and Navy, but instead of just detonating opponents they were gutting out wins. If you rely on a running QB you better make sure you've got someone behind him on the roster that can pick up the pace or half your offense just got thrown in the trash.
Also you may be valuing athletic ability over QB ability. Matt Jones' back up wound up playing for years in the NFL as a QB. Jones, had he spent his college career learning to be a WR, might have had an all pro career.
Going run first and beating people up on the line of scrimmage... yeah, it can absolutely work if you have a good O-line. Hell, Bert of all people looked like he turned things around at Arkansas with that philosophy until his drinking got out of control. But you have to stockpile decent linemen to make that work and the world of NIL has made that a lot more difficult.
There are real positives, and real negatives with a running QB. Injuries are part of the game, but with a running QB you increasing your risk of losing what might be the most important player on your squad.
Can a more traditional offense use a mobile QB? Sure. People forget that Terry Bradshaw was incredibly mobile back in the day. Matt Jones, with his freakish speed saved Houston Nutt's career by pulling off crazy plays out of nowhere. But... Bradshaw was always banged up and had his career end early. Jones spent entire seasons hobbled up. Your QB is going to take a beating running the ball. And unlike RBs they don't sub out for several plays to get a breather. Unless he's just inhuman a running QB is going to pick up at least nagging injuries.
Army, earlier this season, was unstoppable on offense. They had a true triple threat offense going with Daily at QB, Udoh at FB/RB, and Short as the SB/WR. And then Daily got banged up, missed a game, and when he came back didn't have that explosive burst he had before. They kept winning, other than two bad losses to Notre Dame and Navy, but instead of just detonating opponents they were gutting out wins. If you rely on a running QB you better make sure you've got someone behind him on the roster that can pick up the pace or half your offense just got thrown in the trash.
Also you may be valuing athletic ability over QB ability. Matt Jones' back up wound up playing for years in the NFL as a QB. Jones, had he spent his college career learning to be a WR, might have had an all pro career.
Going run first and beating people up on the line of scrimmage... yeah, it can absolutely work if you have a good O-line. Hell, Bert of all people looked like he turned things around at Arkansas with that philosophy until his drinking got out of control. But you have to stockpile decent linemen to make that work and the world of NIL has made that a lot more difficult.
There are real positives, and real negatives with a running QB. Injuries are part of the game, but with a running QB you increasing your risk of losing what might be the most important player on your squad.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:57 am to jonnyanony
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8 of the last 20 championship QBs had 400+ rushing yards in that year. Several had nearly 1,000 or more
Naming the dual threat QBs seems like a much better argument than some stat without context.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:06 am to WestSideTiger
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It is when you can’t defend against it.
What team has defended it well? Besides Vanderbilt and Oklahoma and Tennessee and Michigan?
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:11 am to jonnyanony
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Make the game even dumber, but football is always evolving
You know Spurrier never used the shot gun until 1996 after the FSU lose when Danny couldn't drop back and get a pass off? That change made a huge difference in the 1997 Sugar Bowl rematch. That and the officials calling the late hits.
Posted on 1/7/25 at 3:10 pm to 3down10
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Naming the dual threat QBs seems like a much better argument than some stat without context.
Didn't think I had to considering this is a college football board
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