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re: Does the SEC want the Sooners?
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:28 am to OU_Fan
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:28 am to OU_Fan
1) National brand; instant increase in credibility
2) consistent commitment to winning; strong programs in both men's and women's sports
3) Great game day experience
4) Taking OU without taking Texas would make my heart sing
5) Academics are fine. If we are looking at an entire university system(which would include law and medical schools in my opinion,) TAMU doesn't come close to measuring up to Texas, Florida, Bama,or Vandy. NO WHERE CLOSE. I'm tired of the constant academic smack talk from the Ags.
On the other hand, I hate Okie St and T Boone; that's a deal-breaker for me
2) consistent commitment to winning; strong programs in both men's and women's sports
3) Great game day experience
4) Taking OU without taking Texas would make my heart sing
5) Academics are fine. If we are looking at an entire university system(which would include law and medical schools in my opinion,) TAMU doesn't come close to measuring up to Texas, Florida, Bama,or Vandy. NO WHERE CLOSE. I'm tired of the constant academic smack talk from the Ags.
On the other hand, I hate Okie St and T Boone; that's a deal-breaker for me
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:35 am to DocHog
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Oklahoma is a top 5 all-time FB program.
It's not about the number of TVs in Oklahoma, because they are a national brand( much more so than most of you would like to admit.)
I have no problem admitting this and am fine with OU in the SEC as I feel their overall sports mix well with what the SEC already has. Again, my issue is with their fans being most Utx like and causing friction.
Also, like you, if OU thinks they will get in the SEC bringing OSU along, well
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:41 am to RocketBallz
I think adding ANY team is a mistake. we are "watered down" as it is. I hate having to wait so long to play some of my favorite teams in the east. it's like LSU is not even in the same conference as UGA or UT.
overall, college football fans are sheep and controlled by TV. also, the non alum fans are taking over and the sport is hardly "college" anymore.
frick it, if we are going to kill the college nature of the game, kill the mofo.
1. create a semi-pro league with the largest
programs only (top 30 or so money makers)
2. being a student is optional.
3. let the other colleges play amateur ball.
4. i'm an LSU grad and LOVE MY SCHOOL. however,
I will find a college team to root for in
addition to the LSU pro team.
overall, college football fans are sheep and controlled by TV. also, the non alum fans are taking over and the sport is hardly "college" anymore.
frick it, if we are going to kill the college nature of the game, kill the mofo.
1. create a semi-pro league with the largest
programs only (top 30 or so money makers)
2. being a student is optional.
3. let the other colleges play amateur ball.
4. i'm an LSU grad and LOVE MY SCHOOL. however,
I will find a college team to root for in
addition to the LSU pro team.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:54 am to LSU GrandDad
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overall, college football fans are sheep and controlled by TV. also, the non alum fans are taking over and the sport is hardly "college" anymore.
frick it, if we are going to kill the college nature of the game, kill the mofo.
You have bought the company line. Hook, line, and sinker.
The problem is not the fans but the folks who manipulate them
50 years ago a college president and a coach ran the show for the benefit of the folks (fans) in that local area. Some were alumni and some were not, but they usually had a direct tie to a school or schools.
Today faceless corporations run the show for money. They have no vested interest and no skin in the game. LSU vs Alabama is not a game of history and passion passed from parent to child it is $$$$ vs $$$$ to Nike or Disney. Fans no longer sit in the good seats as they have been pushed out by corporate folks and their use of others $$$$ to sit there.
If you really want to fix the problem, eliminate the money
Step #1
IRS makes contributions to college sports fully taxable
Step #2
Schools only accept money from alumni and long time supporters
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:55 am to OU_Fan
Posted on 6/27/15 at 9:58 am to LSU GrandDad
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1. create a semi-pro league with the largest programs only
GrandDad - this has already started. The SEC and other Power-5 conferences are going to 16 teams, in due time. It's all about money (TV). I'm an old timer too. The college game as we knew it is over.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:09 am to OU_Fan
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Can anyone really provide a legit reason why you wouldn't want a team with 7 National championships, 5 Heisman trophy winners, and owner to the longest winning streak at 47 games brought to your conference?
And is your school's overall football history and prestige better than OU's, or did your team beat them once in a bowl game?
I'm really just trying to understand the general consensus and logic, because the general consensus seems to be that OU is mediocre and can be compared to Nebraska (who has more national championships than every SEC school except for Alabama by the way), and apparently school's like OU, Nebraska, Notre Dame must now take a seat due to the new SEC Network.
Does this sound about right?
First, Oklahoma and Nebraska are not Notre Dame. Notre Dame is (and always has been) a special case as a long-time independent. Truth be told, they're the only single school who could pull off the kind of stand alone national network the Whorns are failing with. Apparently they value the added exposure their NBC contract gives them over a cable network.
Second, Oklahoma was complicit in destroying the XII. You sold out your Big 8 brothers (including Nebraska) to grab the skirt of Texas. Now you get to live with the on-going repercussions of that betrayal.
Third, your history is great but it's just that - history. How broad or deep your (relative) slump is has yet to be determined. I do think it's safe to say the days of a Nebraska or Oklahoma being a perennial powerhouse are over. There's too much competition in their traditional recruiting areas to go in and handpick players like they used to. You're just damn lucky you boarder Texas or you'd be screwed like the Nubs are.
So while you have a proud and storied history, in the new landscape of college football Oklahoma is probably a Top 20-25 entity instead of a Top 10 program. And with conference realignment being driven by potential footprint cable subscribers, Oklahoma would by no means be a slam dunk. They would be in a pool with schools from NC and VA.
Does this sound about right?
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:15 am to Gradual_Stroke
Ags, were you guys alive and well when A&M brought home the trophy back in the 1930's? Has A&M ever won a BCS bowl game?
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:16 am to OU_Fan
go back to tending your dust you fricking land thief
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:17 am to OU_Fan
Move along, Dust-gump. Move along now. This is an SEC website.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 10:19 am
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:19 am to Mizz-SEC
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Does this sound about right?
Harry just met Sally!
PS, have an up vote for that post
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 10:27 am
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:21 am to Mizz-SEC
Mizz-SEC, since you're well informed on the new college football landscape and how teams rank, going off memory, has Mizzou won a BCS bowl game? I cant remember if that win against OSU was a BCS bowl win. Conference championship? National championship? Heisman trophy?
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:22 am to OU_Fan
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Mizz-SEC, since you're well informed on the new college football landscape and how teams rank, going off memory, has Mizzou won a BCS bowl game?
You're trying to play checkers when we're all playing chess.
Move along, please.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:48 am to OU_Fan
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Mizz-SEC, since you're well informed on the new college football landscape and how teams rank, going off memory, has Mizzou won a BCS bowl game? I cant remember if that win against OSU was a BCS bowl win. Conference championship? National championship? Heisman trophy?
Are you talking about the past or the future?
In the three years since the deck chairs have been rearranged Missouri has continued on their upward trajectory. Meanwhile, to all appearances Oklahoma is showing serious signs of erosion. You can deny or deflect, but it's there - a declining product in a declining conference. But this isn't about Missouri's credentials to be in the SEC - we're already in. It's about OU's.
You'd better hope when your XII / GOR deal with the devil is up you're still considered a good catch.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 11:11 am to Mizz-SEC
10 years is a looong time in the cfb world
Posted on 6/27/15 at 11:26 am to Gradual_Stroke
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10 years is a looong time in the cfb world
Maybe if you are a Gopher fan. For a decade they ruled CFB now it is an eternity for them since that decade.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 11:37 am to Mizz-SEC
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But this isn't about Missouri's credentials to be in the SEC - we're already in. It's about OU's.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 2:10 pm to Mizz-SEC
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But this isn't about Missouri's credentials to be in the SEC - we're already in. It's about OU's.
Maybe this will help the OU fans mind, if it sinks in
OU options
a) Stay in the B12 and be a big fish in an ever shrinking pond. At least getting back to 12 probably helps but you are still #5 in the P5 pecking order. B12 could limp along for decades but with too few good schools the drag of the bad ones mean you are the next Big East wether you like it or not.
b) Join the SEC and be an above LSU fish in the Coral Sea. First off, if you think you get to join bringing OK State with you, then don't bother. You already tried that with Slive and he told you it was a no go. You probably bring Kansas as your pair but if they are not ditching KSU they are not coming either so make sure both are disconnecting before filing your application. SEC may go to 16 but you are a total retard if you think they are going to 18.
c) Join the B1G and be the next UNL fish in the Dead Sea. Without AAU membership your best hope is to join the B1G as a pair with KU. If the SEC would not take your little brothers the B1G sure as hell will not. Trading Waco and Lubbock may seem like an upgrade but probably not, unless you like trading cold weather for dusty weather. One thing you can be certain of is Bucknuts and Meeshegan are the Utx and OU of the B1G and you will never change that or replace them.
d) Join the PAC and you are a big fish in the Bay of Bengal. Sure it is one of the biggest bays in the world (sounds good) but in reality it is one of the smallest seas (not so good). The PAC is all about marketing and which version you buy. EST eyeballs will be asleep when your games are on how many viewers will tune in to watch OU vs CU in sports? Granted the PAC will let you bring OSU but you will probably have to have Utx and KU in the trade. No matter what you think So Cal runs the show out there so you will assume the Nebraska type position in your new home. You really will get to see how it feels in the other guys shoes.
e) Join the ACC and you are a good sized fish in the South China Sea. This sea is pretty full so you probably go there solo after the Irish say yes to full time fishing rights. They don't call the the All Carolina Conference for nothing and if you thought living with Utx was bad imagine having 3 wives who all hate you (and a 4th midget wife that kicks you in the shin when they can). They also play lots of sports yo don't so better plan on ditching thing you win and picking up things where you will get your arse handed to you. Probability of the Sooners going there is approaching 0% so probably should not lose sleep worrying about it.
f) Go IND, but in this day and age you might as well just shut OU sports down now.
You can have realignment posts on LT till the end of time but it really boils down to one of these options and what you plan to give up to get them. If the SEC is your preferred option then you will have to ditch Utx and OSU or forget it. You may want to bring them but you do not have the clout or make the rules so keep thinking that and the SEC will not add you.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:49 pm to Cheese Grits
Home run Cheese...out of the park. Boren stays up at night wondering why they stayed with texass. They're screwed and he knows it. My guess, surfs-up dude. They'll eventually go west because of Okie Lite. They'll love Pullman, WA. Ha!
ou fans are prudy good folks, mostly. Much better than those pompous ballin' heifers from texass.
ou fans are prudy good folks, mostly. Much better than those pompous ballin' heifers from texass.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 6/27/15 at 5:48 pm to RocketBallz
no really don't want mizzou either.
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