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Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:26 am to John Wick
So is your opinion that there were no national champions before the AP/Coaches polls came into existence?
If so, alright, but you have issues with a big chunk of college football - not just Alabama.
If so, alright, but you have issues with a big chunk of college football - not just Alabama.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:26 am to GainesvilleDawg
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Holy Crap. Just looked up the 1973 season and wow. How can even Gumps do that without a red face?
Same way other schools do
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:27 am to StopRobot
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Completely false. They were not retroactive. They were awarded by entities that other schools also use
1925: Bama was undefeated and won the Rose Bowl. Dartmouth also claims
1926: Co national champions with Stanford which Stanford also claims
1930: Undefeated Bama wins the Rose Bowl again. Notre Dame also claims this title. Did not play in a bowl game.
1934: Undefeated Bama wins the Rose Bowl AGAIN. Minnesota who didnt play in a bowl game also claims this title
1941: Minnesota claims
Here are the facts AGAIN!
Damn, you Bammers are even more ignorant than advertised on TideFans.com
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1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn’t exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.
The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 – 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 – Current.
1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!
1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!
1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!
1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!
Can you say, "RETROACTIVE"?
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:27 am to John Wick
Re-read this from your OP:
And then re-read your rebuttal:
Clearly those years weren't "open" or "unclaimed."
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Bama likes to claim any open or unclaimed championship.
And then re-read your rebuttal:
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1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn’t exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.
The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 – 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 – Current.
1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!
1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!
1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!
1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year. Mississippi State won the SEC title..yet Bama claims a National title!
Clearly those years weren't "open" or "unclaimed."
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:27 am to nicholastiger
Alabama won the AP title. USC won the coaches title.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:28 am to John Wick
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Can you say, "RETROACTIVE"?
Everything before the poll era is retroactive.
So again, is your position that there were no national champions pre-AP poll?
If so, fine.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:28 am to SummerOfGeorge
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So is your opinion that there were no national champions before the AP/Coaches polls came into existence?
If so, alright, but you have issues with a big chunk of college football - not just Alabama.
I'm saying you don't get to go back and name yourself champions 10-15 years later.
RETROACTIVE...look it up.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:29 am to John Wick
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I'm saying you don't get to go back and name yourself champions 10-15 years later.
RETROACTIVE...look it up.
So your answer is no national champions pre-AP poll, because that's where every one of those came from.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:30 am to RollTide1987
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Clearly those years weren't "open" or "unclaimed."
Not after you claimed them....15 years after the fact..
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:31 am to SummerOfGeorge
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So your answer is no national champions pre-AP poll, because that's where every one of those came from.
I'm saying you don't get to retroactively claim championships.
That's bullshite.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:32 am to John Wick
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I'm saying you don't get to retroactively claim championships.
That's bull shite.
And I'm saying that if you aren't retroactively claiming titles in years where there wasn't an established poll at the time then there are no champions for those years.
That's what your position is saying.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:33 am to John Wick
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Not after you claimed them....15 years after the fact..
We didn't claim those national titles officially until the early-80s, so more like 42-58 years after the fact.
Once again man...research. It literally takes 10 minutes. If you're going to troll at least be smart about it.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:33 am to nicholastiger
We passed the eye test!
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:35 am to John Wick
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John Wick
Wanna fight?
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:36 am to SummerOfGeorge
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And I'm saying that if you aren't retroactively claiming titles in years where there wasn't an established poll at the time then there are no champions for those years.
That's what your position is saying.
So, you're saying "if it's open Bammer gets to claim it.."
Yu pathetic, insecure, cheating assholes go ahead an claim it for your filthy program.
That is why you are a national laughing stock. The rest of America literally laughs at the Bammer fan base.
Only team in America that can win a national championship and still look like losers.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:37 am to asphinctersayswhat
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Wanna fight?
You or your sisterwife?
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:37 am to John Wick
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All of those are "retroactive championships". No one was named, so Bama claimed them
Correct. Bama like some other schools, notably Notre Dame, claims titles that were awarded retroactively
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:38 am to Glorious
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There is nothing to suggest that Texas is any better than Texas A&M
Texas is ranked # 26, right now, in the Coaches poll. They are ranked #27 in the AP poll. aTm did not receive any votes in either. Is that enough of a suggestion for you?
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Texas playing at South Carolina would pretty much be a toss up
I can agree with this. Both teams play like a champion one day, then next week they play so poorly that Alabama wants to schedule them.
Posted on 11/8/19 at 10:39 am to John Wick
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I'm saying you don't get to retroactively claim championships.
That's bullshite.
Im fine with people saying that but other schools do it as well. Besides 1941 it is hard to argue that Bama shouldnt claim them
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