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Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:11 am to Pulpwood Patterson
"consistent running afoul"
"no violations in 30 years"
These are directly contradiction.
Two times (actually three with minor infractions in the 70s) in 60 years is not a picture of what you describe.
and Georgia is fully involved in Saban style huge money to buy as many players as the southwest georgia boosters will cough up. Rush Propst is in the best position of anyone as to these occurrences. VERY Believeable. Georgias and bamas lawyers notwithstanding their weasel word declaration requirements he signed to get his job secured
Georgia is rotten. rotten to the core with boy kirby
act like its something else, dullard dog
thats all you have done - try to change the subject
"no violations in 30 years"
These are directly contradiction.
Two times (actually three with minor infractions in the 70s) in 60 years is not a picture of what you describe.
and Georgia is fully involved in Saban style huge money to buy as many players as the southwest georgia boosters will cough up. Rush Propst is in the best position of anyone as to these occurrences. VERY Believeable. Georgias and bamas lawyers notwithstanding their weasel word declaration requirements he signed to get his job secured
Georgia is rotten. rotten to the core with boy kirby
act like its something else, dullard dog
thats all you have done - try to change the subject
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 10:20 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:28 am to Pulpwood Patterson
I see TAM is claiming free market but in a real free market alot of these five stars would be drafted by NFL out of high school.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:33 am to Pulpwood Patterson
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3). Saban made an untactful accusation, Jimbo had an unflattering response
Sure... and hell is just "warm". One or both committed libel/ slander or they are both telling the truth.
I'll take them at their word. We got confirmation about what everyone suspected, that Nick Saban has always been dirty. Jimbo may be late to the party, but obviously picked a few things up from his old boss.
Only reasonable outcome is vacating every championship Nick or any from his tree has been associated with, so it will never happen.
Wouldn't it be ironic if the guy considered by many to be the GOAT were also responsible for the demise of college football?
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:40 am to Pulpwood Patterson
The top 20 or so programs need to break away from ncaa and make their own rules.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:43 am to Pulpwood Patterson
Nope
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:51 am to JJJimmyJimJames
What would you call having the most NCAA infractions historically over multiple eras if not consistently running afoul? I’m not trying to be confrontational or a smart arse, what would you call it?
I’ve said that I’m sure UGA has handed out cash, never denied that. Auburn has handed out cash, and have been punished for doing so by the NCAA more so than UGA. You seemed intent to deny that based on recency. You would assert Georgia is dirtier than Auburn but actual convictions don’t indicate that. And in the clandestine world of recruiting we don’t have anything else approaching objective to reference. I’m not claiming UGA has cheated LESS than Auburn, I’m saying they’ve been convicted less than Auburn and that’s the only objective standard that we can review. The rest is conjecture. Accusations in the absence of evidence remain accusations. And if they persist in the absence of evidence they become defamation.
If Probst had evidence, he would or should have presented it. He didn’t. He retracted his statement because he either lacked courage or evidence. As a matter of character the guy resigned in turmoil in Alabama around infidelity and other missteps. He was fired at Colquit County for various improprieties, and he was fined and sanctioned in Valdosta for improprieties.
And in the meantime Auburn has had the Cam Newton noise which you’ll notice I haven’t mentioned because of a lack of evidence, but of which was much noisier and persistent than any accusation leveled at Georgia in the same time frame. You had rogue boosters flying to Louisville to hire a coach for a position that wasn’t open. And Auburn just tried to evict a coach after one year with booster interference and at least marginal administrative mishandling, again more controversial than anything leveled at UGA.
“Running afoul” is meager compared to the accusation that UGA is rotten to the core…yet both have the same convictions in the last “30” years
If you have evidence that UGA paid players, by all means, report them.
I’ve said that I’m sure UGA has handed out cash, never denied that. Auburn has handed out cash, and have been punished for doing so by the NCAA more so than UGA. You seemed intent to deny that based on recency. You would assert Georgia is dirtier than Auburn but actual convictions don’t indicate that. And in the clandestine world of recruiting we don’t have anything else approaching objective to reference. I’m not claiming UGA has cheated LESS than Auburn, I’m saying they’ve been convicted less than Auburn and that’s the only objective standard that we can review. The rest is conjecture. Accusations in the absence of evidence remain accusations. And if they persist in the absence of evidence they become defamation.
If Probst had evidence, he would or should have presented it. He didn’t. He retracted his statement because he either lacked courage or evidence. As a matter of character the guy resigned in turmoil in Alabama around infidelity and other missteps. He was fired at Colquit County for various improprieties, and he was fined and sanctioned in Valdosta for improprieties.
And in the meantime Auburn has had the Cam Newton noise which you’ll notice I haven’t mentioned because of a lack of evidence, but of which was much noisier and persistent than any accusation leveled at Georgia in the same time frame. You had rogue boosters flying to Louisville to hire a coach for a position that wasn’t open. And Auburn just tried to evict a coach after one year with booster interference and at least marginal administrative mishandling, again more controversial than anything leveled at UGA.
“Running afoul” is meager compared to the accusation that UGA is rotten to the core…yet both have the same convictions in the last “30” years
If you have evidence that UGA paid players, by all means, report them.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 11:08 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:56 am to Pulpwood Patterson
It's difficult for me to take seriously fans from the very teams which took advantage of the lack of parity in the previous system, who now want parity in this one aspect so they can go back to dominating.
Sorry no, eventually the courts will rule it is a job just like anything else and the market sets the value. This whole NIL is just a silly middle road to that realization.
Sorry no, eventually the courts will rule it is a job just like anything else and the market sets the value. This whole NIL is just a silly middle road to that realization.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 10:58 am to GeorgeWest
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No scholarship athlete should be able to even entertain an NIL deal offer until AFTER they are enrolled in classes at their university.
Why can't I get a job before going to college? I know you'd like it to be true but logically who else would we put this restriction on? Next you're going to tell me I can't make you work for me if I'm paying you.
NIL at it's heart is literally a paid endorsement job. A 1099 gig.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 11:00 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:12 am to Texaggie96
What rules have applied to UGA that haven’t applied to A&M the last 120 years? What exactly has UGA benefitted from that wasn’t readily available to TAMU?
I’m not bothered by A&M’s recruiting class. My concern has nothing to do with UGA and everything to do with the very clear reality that if you don’t have rules you don’t have a sport.
I’m not bothered by A&M’s recruiting class. My concern has nothing to do with UGA and everything to do with the very clear reality that if you don’t have rules you don’t have a sport.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:16 am to Pulpwood Patterson
Please explain why losing the sport is going to take place?
All I see is the country club blue bloods might lose some of their advantages. That’s a good thing. Saban said he wanted parity.
Looks like Saban has been taking lessons from the left on using fear mongering to try and influence the uneducated. Luckily no one s buying it.
All I see is the country club blue bloods might lose some of their advantages. That’s a good thing. Saban said he wanted parity.
Looks like Saban has been taking lessons from the left on using fear mongering to try and influence the uneducated. Luckily no one s buying it.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 11:21 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:17 am to Pulpwood Patterson
A&M tried coaching. That didn't work.
They tried LSU coaches. That didn't work.
They found their in. Why take it away?
They tried LSU coaches. That didn't work.
They found their in. Why take it away?
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:28 am to Whentheleveebreaks
If you don’t have rules you don’t have a sport/game. It’s the rules that DEFINE and confine the game. Why does a Touchdown always count as 6 points rather than arbitrarily 40 points and sometimes 3.
If I don’t have rules…then there’s nothing to stop me from offering endless eligibility to players. Why bother with recruiting at all. I’m just going to keep and pay the 2021 defense indefinitely and augment with the best free agents from any team I see fit, mid season if I feel like it. And I like Stetson Bennett, but I’d rather have Josh Allen, let’s buy him out of his contract. There’s no rules, no governance, why not.
If I don’t have rules…then there’s nothing to stop me from offering endless eligibility to players. Why bother with recruiting at all. I’m just going to keep and pay the 2021 defense indefinitely and augment with the best free agents from any team I see fit, mid season if I feel like it. And I like Stetson Bennett, but I’d rather have Josh Allen, let’s buy him out of his contract. There’s no rules, no governance, why not.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 11:33 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:32 am to Pulpwood Patterson
So the transfer portal is mainly your concern and other schools stealing players or buying them. I agree that is a problem. But it’s not going to destroy the game.
But you do realize A&M is not doing that, right?
Also A&M has repeatedly said. Please provide guidelines and we are not happy with the tampering taking place.
I know since we are not a so called blue blood it’s hard to side with us. And that’s fine. But quit having tunnel vision and please watch what the national media is stating that does not have ties to A&M or Bama.
But you do realize A&M is not doing that, right?
Also A&M has repeatedly said. Please provide guidelines and we are not happy with the tampering taking place.
I know since we are not a so called blue blood it’s hard to side with us. And that’s fine. But quit having tunnel vision and please watch what the national media is stating that does not have ties to A&M or Bama.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 11:41 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:32 am to Pulpwood Patterson
Agree with all but 3. Saban repeated what everyone else has said since the recruits were paid to go to A&M. I mean, it's not even debatable.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:34 am to Pulpwood Patterson
I agree with #4. He looked like he hadn’t gotten enough sleep.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:39 am to Whentheleveebreaks
Yeah, probably should better clarify my point. I’m concerned some as to what the rules are, I’m concerned extremely that there are rules. At the confluence of NIL is also the effective death of the NCAA. There is really nothing at this point from keeping players from being paid straight out except state laws but they aren’t universal and that’s not tenable. We’re at a place of lawlessness, and the NCAA has no legal authority. Heck they don’t even have broken consensus. I’m not one of the guys accusing A&M or not accusing A&M. I’m arguing that you can’t have a game without rules, or in time you won’t have rules or a game.
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 11:46 am
Posted on 5/21/22 at 11:53 am to Pulpwood Patterson
I would agree with this if the NCAA the past 30 years actually did anything. But their history showed they used favoritism, politics, inconsistent, etc.
Pretty much everyone on here agrees all schools have been paying players. I have no doubt we have been as well. But since we were not a blue blood, we were limited with it bc we knew if any little bit was found we would get the hammer.
Just one example:
A&M alum caught paying players for a summer job. A&M sanctioned immediately and notified right before an important bowl game. Also bowl ban for next year.
OU alum caught paying OU players at big red motors or whatever it was called. Nothing significant happens to OU.
I think most on here believe the NCAA was a joke. Kansas basketball got caught with multiple infractions. Of course, nothing happens to them.
Anyway, the sport is going to be fine. Other non blue bloods have broken through but it’s not easy. We are on the verge of doing it.
Saban needs to be careful or he’s going to really tarnish his legacy if he keeps this up. Do you really think Jimbo is the only one that thinks these things about Saban?
Pretty much everyone on here agrees all schools have been paying players. I have no doubt we have been as well. But since we were not a blue blood, we were limited with it bc we knew if any little bit was found we would get the hammer.
Just one example:
A&M alum caught paying players for a summer job. A&M sanctioned immediately and notified right before an important bowl game. Also bowl ban for next year.
OU alum caught paying OU players at big red motors or whatever it was called. Nothing significant happens to OU.
I think most on here believe the NCAA was a joke. Kansas basketball got caught with multiple infractions. Of course, nothing happens to them.
Anyway, the sport is going to be fine. Other non blue bloods have broken through but it’s not easy. We are on the verge of doing it.
Saban needs to be careful or he’s going to really tarnish his legacy if he keeps this up. Do you really think Jimbo is the only one that thinks these things about Saban?
This post was edited on 5/21/22 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:11 pm to Whentheleveebreaks
No doubt the NCAA has been impotent for a while. But they’ve been enough of a threat or it’s enough of a hassle to risk punishment to develop have a plan and avoid major malfeasance.. It’s a problem if there is no recourse and no agency to build consensus. I get that we all want to play taps over the NCAA, but it was at least a loose confederation for American universities athletic programs. It was no small feat to attain that, it won’t be easy to do so again particularly with the money involved and the divided interests.
Posted on 5/21/22 at 1:11 pm to KaiserSoze99
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5). frick Texas 8&4feit®
Fixed it for you.
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