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Did Texas and Oklahoma play its hand too soon?

Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:17 pm
Posted by gumbeaux
Member since Jun 2004
4461 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:17 pm
Today Texas and Oklahoma told the Big 12 that it will honor the existing Grant of Rights agreement but will not renew it in 2025.

Is it official that the SEC will accept Texas and Oklahoma? Don’t the SEC schools still have to vote on it? I realize it’s a foregone conclusion but should Texas and Oklahoma have waited until the SEC would officially accept them if they left the Big 12.

Also, wouldn’t a voting member of the SEC want to know what the future divisions, pods, scheduling, etc. will be before they voted?
Posted by charliethehun
Member since Jul 2021
1013 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:18 pm to
it should happen by next year

there are lots of legal issues, and today was simply one of those
Posted by Bama Bird
Member since Dec 2011
Member since Mar 2013
19023 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

Don’t the SEC schools still have to vote on it?

They've either already voted or know exactly what the vote will be

quote:

Also, wouldn’t a voting member of the SEC want to know what the future divisions, pods, scheduling, etc. will be before they voted?

They already know this- we don't
Posted by UcobiaA
The Gump
Member since Nov 2010
2816 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

I realize it’s a foregone conclusion but should Texas and Oklahoma have waited until the SEC would officially accept them if they left the Big 12.


I don't think the SEC would reach out first because they didn't want any lawsuits from the Big12.
Posted by bah7tea
Member since May 2015
97 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:25 pm to
It's just how these things work. For example, Mike Slive and the SEC would not reach out to TAMU/MIZZ ten years ago, we had to reach out to the SEC. Mike Slive had it work that way so the SEC could avoid a tortious interference claim from the Big 12.
Posted by BigB123
Texas
Member since Dec 2018
985 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:27 pm to
Even if the SEC votes no (highly unlikely), the sips and sooners are done with the Big XII. Rumor has it texas will look into going independent if this doesn’t work out but worse case the B1G is kicking their chops.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64952 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

Today Texas and Oklahoma told the Big 12 that it will honor the existing Grant of Rights agreement but will not renew it in 2025.


They had to do that for legal reasons. If things continue to progress, they will be in the SEC by 2022. 2023 at the very latest.
Posted by GatorOnAnIsland
Florida
Member since Jan 2019
5789 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:30 pm to
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 3:36 pm
Posted by el gato
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2005
2402 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:31 pm to
No. Worst-case scenario, Texas and Oklahoma could change their mind and decide to stay in the Big 12. Just like the guy whose ex-girlfriend has a killer rack, the Big 12 would be falling all over itself if that pair decided to come back.
This post was edited on 7/26/21 at 3:32 pm
Posted by Realistic Ag
Member since Jun 2014
1894 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:33 pm to
quote:

They had to do that for legal reasons. If things continue to progress, they will be in the SEC by 2022. 2023 at the very latest.

Yep...if I could put money on it, I'd bet they are in the conference next season.
Posted by TouchDownSEC
Member since Jul 2021
137 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:33 pm to
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This post was edited on 9/9/22 at 9:06 pm
Posted by TouchDownSEC
Member since Jul 2021
137 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:35 pm to
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Posted by DrKnievel
Belgium, MT
Member since Sep 2016
230 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 4:10 pm to
No - they are playing a game of chicken to see who blinks first. They have created instability by making their desires known. Their hope is that other conferences will come calling and 2 more schools will be picked up. Once they get to a total of 4 schools exiting, the penalties for exiting ($$$) go away. If schools don't do anything, they will have to decide if they want to pay the ~$75M each or stick around the conference longer.

While the situation was different, there were some similarities when A&M left. Probably the biggest thing is the SEC wants to avoid interference claims, so they won't be sticking their neck out for Texas and Oklahoma. Texas and Oklahoma have to exit at which point the SEC can formally offer. When A&M was leaving, they were slowly wading through the water to ensure there were no upcoming or pending lawsuits. Once those were cleared, they received a formal invite from the SEC. I would expect the same here (although the media is reporting that it will move much faster this time around).

I'm sure there is clear language on how to exit the conference, but the quickest and easiest way to dissolve the conference. That is what you are seeing now.

If the remaining schools stick it out, it will become much more painful to leave (most likely in terms of money), but potentially having to stay - otherwise Texas and Oklahoma's media rights in the SEC would be owned by the Big 12 and I don't even know how that would work.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4057 posts
Posted on 7/26/21 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

ESPN is calling all of the shots.

If someone says I'll pay you

a if you do x
b if you do y
c if you do z

c>b>a

and you choose to do c because it pays you a lot of money.

Who is calling the shots?
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