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Did Bobby Bowden actually underachieve at FSU?
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:27 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:27 am
As far as national championships? Top 5 every season from 88-00 yet only 2 titles to show for it. A bit like the Atlanta Braves wouldn't say?
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:29 am to Utah_CUtiger
A kicker basically cost him 3-4 Championships.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:33 am to Utah_CUtiger
Nebraska was a monster at the time as well as Miami, if my CFB history is accurate. He had to beat some hard teams.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:33 am to Utah_CUtiger
Well in the 90s he was competing against florida and Miami. He had a few seasons in there that his only loss was to Miami or Florida.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 11:34 am
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:36 am to Utah_CUtiger
If the CFP existed during those years, FSU would probably have another 2-3 more titles.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:39 am to Utah_CUtiger
Bowden's last five years:
2005 8–5
2006 7–6 ‡
2007 7–6 ‡
2008 9–4
2009 7–6
2005 8–5
2006 7–6 ‡
2007 7–6 ‡
2008 9–4
2009 7–6
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:39 am to bamaboy87
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Well in the 90s he was competing against florida and Miami. He had a few seasons in there that his only loss was to Miami or Florida.
Right. Teams do not exist in a vacuum. The state of Florida was the center of college football for most of the 90s.
If Saban hadn't gotten Alabama rolling who is to say how many titles LSU would have won? Or Florida? Sometimes a great program is held in check by other great programs.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:42 am to Arksulli
I'm more interested in imagining how Bowden could have done at Alabama if they'd given him the job after Bryant.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:48 am to Hugh McElroy
FSU was the one HCIW scenario that worked out; Jimbo was the HC for all intents and purposes but got none of the flak for the losses because Bobby was still the figurehead. Let him learn otj and get his ducks in a row so he looked like a genius once Bowden got pushed out.
I'd say it was the one classy thing Bobby did in his tenure, but it was all based on clinging to his precious wins record, the removal of which was one of the more fitting moments in cfb history.
I'd say it was the one classy thing Bobby did in his tenure, but it was all based on clinging to his precious wins record, the removal of which was one of the more fitting moments in cfb history.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 11:51 am to bamaboy87
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I'm more interested in imagining how Bowden could have done at Alabama if they'd given him the job after Bryant.
He probably could have done very well. I don't think he would have built the dynasty that Bryant or Saban built, but he'd have won a few national titles.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:03 pm to Utah_CUtiger
The ACC was pretty weak during that time, so he would usually just have to get up for Florida and Miami plus a major bowl. That would have been 3 pretty tough games during that time, so I don't know if you say that is underachieving or not
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:04 pm to Utah_CUtiger
Maybe. But Saban has definitely underachieved at Bama. NFL squads every year and he’s still getting his arse kicked in title games.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:09 pm to BarnHater
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But Saban has definitely underachieved at Bama
He's a bum and should be fired so Bama can get someone with some real coaching chops like Orgeron
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:10 pm to jchamil
Orgeron doesn’t need a ridiculous advantage in talent in order to be competitive.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:10 pm to Utah_CUtiger
Bowden and Spurrier cost each other multiple titles. Both would have at least two more if not facing each other. Just like Spurrier cost Fulmer multiple titles.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:12 pm to BarnHater
You're right, that's why I said I hoped Bama could get rid of Saban and hire Orgeron. Bama would be much more competitive
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:49 pm to Utah_CUtiger
Not even close. Florida State was nothing before Bobby Bowden got there. Tantamount to a Southern Miss or LaTech level. They were an independent for a long time, and were in the make-shift metro conference for a while as well if memory serves ( Though that may have been just for basketball). He took to scheduling tough national powers, playing them every year on the road because they would not agree to play in Tallahassee. He built them into one of the great national powers in CFB. Bobby Bowden is the reason why FSU is relevant at all and one of the titans of college football history.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:50 pm to jchamil
You are really reaching and speaking from not looking at their schedules. FSU went out and played teams every year from other conferences during that run. Auburn, Michigan, Michigan State, Notee Dame, aTm, USCw just to name a few. One year he beat 5 or 6 Conference Champions!
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:51 pm to Utah_CUtiger
Probably not.
He coached FSU in their IND and ACC (not yet at 12) frames and would have schedules similar to Boise State or Central Florida. While I think he was certainly an above average coach, playing in a challenging conference would have cost him an extra game or two a year. That would have been just enough to keep him out of the MNC spotlight and discussions.
He coached FSU in their IND and ACC (not yet at 12) frames and would have schedules similar to Boise State or Central Florida. While I think he was certainly an above average coach, playing in a challenging conference would have cost him an extra game or two a year. That would have been just enough to keep him out of the MNC spotlight and discussions.
Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:52 pm to Utah_CUtiger
In title games? Yes. He went 2-4.
Overall? Absolutely not. He had to build FSU from the ground up.
Overall? Absolutely not. He had to build FSU from the ground up.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 12:52 pm
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