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re: [Dellenger] From speaking to league insiders, this is our best guess of the three rivals
Posted on 3/4/23 at 9:44 pm to GaryGator
Posted on 3/4/23 at 9:44 pm to GaryGator
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Florida with Oklahoma as a permanent is just weird. No, it's just seems forced and stupid. It should be Tennessee or Kentucky or even LSU.
My guess is that is a bone to A&M, who accepts they have tp play Texas but they don't want Oklahoma. It would make sense t most to have LSU/ Florida and A&M/Oklahoma. You would be swapping a top 8 program for a top 8 program. But I suspect A&M wanted to keep LSU.
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 10:03 pm to MurphyGator
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Game day in Norman is disappointing. My nephew attends school there, so I've gone up to visit him and watch some games. I was expecting a lot more as far as atmosphere.
It's still a bucket list location for CFB. Norman, Lincoln, Columbus, Ann Arbor, Happy Valley, South Bend, etc.
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:03 pm to MurphyGator
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Game day in Norman is disappointing. My nephew attends school there, so I've gone up to visit him and watch some games. I was expecting a lot more as far as atmosphere.
It may be now, but when there were actually great teams and fan bases coming in that was not the case. I have a feeling things are about to change.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:14 am to Sooner a Reb
When were there ever great teams and fan bases coming in? So, you’re saying your school and the town of Norman are so boring and sucky that they depend on other teams and their fanbases to bring some excitement and make things better? Man, that sucks.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 11:21 am to FatDawg
Can’t really blame A&M if that is truly the case. It would be just like they were playing in Big 12 again. Boring retread. But, several schools are closer than Florida that make more sense. As it is, Oklahoma is being gifted 3 easy wins with their permanent rivals (until we stop sucking and who knows when that will be). They probably have the easiest group of 3 perms than any other team in the league. Should have paired them
With you guys or Bama. Give them a real welcome!
With you guys or Bama. Give them a real welcome!
Posted on 3/6/23 at 12:32 pm to WG_Dawg
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This "10 year" thing goes beyond retarded and into hyperretardation. UGA, south Carolina's second biggest rival in history and by faaaaaaaar biggwst sec rival, not being one of the THREE choices for them, simply defies all logic, reason, and common sense.
I hope everyone is happy that money is now ruling the sport and centuries of tradition are being dumped down the latrine.
SC is a Johny Come Lately in the SEC. Auburn and UF were locks for UGA and UK makes more sense traditionally than SC, although UGA and UK have only played 6 more times than UGA and SC and the UGA UK series is marginally more lopsided than UGA SC is. SC was more or less a rent a win for UGA traditionally until they joined the conference.
Ironically as badly as UK has dominated UGA in basketball over the years UGA has a slightly better winning % against UK in football than UK has over UGA in football. You almost never hear a UGA fan predicting a win over UK in basketball but just about every year UK fans are convinced they are going to beat UGA in football.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 12:41 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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Auburn and Tennessee get Vandy? What a fricking embarrassment.
Auburn also has UGA and Bama...Vandy is a nice touch of butt hurt ointment for the Tigers.
Tennessee has Vandy and USC LOL. That's about as easy as it gets and the price is Alabama who Auburn and LSU also has. Vols would get a pretty sweet deal if this turns out to be accurate...
Posted on 3/6/23 at 12:44 pm to MillerLiteTime
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Biggest flaw I see is no reason they couldn’t swap South Carolina and Kentucky so UGA plays SC and Tennessee plays Kentucky. All 4 teams would prefer that.
As a UGA fan I would prefer UK since UK is actually a SEC team and USC was more or less a rent a win for UGA before they were admitted to the SEC. The 2 series are about the same in wins and losses with UGA dominating both substantially. UGA and UK have had some knock down drag out fistfights over the years while UGA has mostly beaten USC like a rented mule more often than not.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 12:48 pm to AwgustaDawg
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UGA and UK have had some knock down drag out fistfights over the years
Eh
Posted on 3/6/23 at 12:53 pm to MurphyGator
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I think so as well. Why are they pairing us up with Oklahoma?
That one really makes very little sense. Gotta pair the sooners with someone but why UF? Ought to provide UF with some exposure in Texas though which won't be a bad thing...and folks, for some inexplicable reason, think of Oklahoma as a powerhouse despite their not playing but a one game season for most of their existence, so nationally the Gators will have a winning record against what most folks consider a powerhouse...
It woulda made more sense to have the 6 Johny Come Lately's play 3 each against one another and the 10 real SEC teams play 3 against each other. I guess the make believe SEC teams have to have some relativity though and even losing to traditional SEC teams will lend them some credibility....
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:01 pm to NewZou
In my mind there are 4 games in the SEC which must be played every year...UGA/Auburn, UGA/UF, Alabama/Auburn and Alabama/UT. With the new teams added ATM/Texas is on the list. LSU and Ole Miss is probably another one. Outside of that given that Missouri has been in the conference for a while now there really isn't a lot of tradition left...
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:30 pm to imjustafatkid
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Just want the schedule to be fair. If this setup is accurate, it isn't. Makes even less sense given the history between Bama and MSU and the proximity of the schools.
ETA: And to be fair, LSU is usually a layup win too. Y'all have beaten us 27 times, they've beaten us 18.
Those numbers are not exactly comparable. Bama/MSU has been played 107 times. LSU/Bama has been played 87 times. Doesn't take a High level mathematician to see a delta of 20 games.
The LSU/Bama series is 55-27-5 in favor of Alabama
The MSU/Bama series is 87-17-3 on the field (with vacated games it is 85-18-3) in favor of Alabama.
But lets just look at the games as played. Bama's winning % vs MSU is 81.3% while vs LSU it is 63.2%, so there is a difference there in the competition level in those 2 SEC "series" lets say rather than "rivalries."
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:33 pm to AwgustaDawg
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In my mind there are 4 games in the SEC which must be played every year...UGA/Auburn, UGA/UF, Alabama/Auburn and Alabama/UT. With the new teams added ATM/Texas is on the list. LSU and Ole Miss is probably another one. Outside of that given that Missouri has been in the conference for a while now there really isn't a lot of tradition left...
I think your list is correct, but I would add OU/Texas Red River game to that list.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:35 pm to JKChesterton
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I think your list is correct, but I would arse OU/Texas Red River game to that list.
100% correct. Forgot about that one....
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:37 pm to JKChesterton
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Those numbers are not exactly comparable. Bama/MSU has been played 107 times. LSU/Bama has been played 87 times. Doesn't take a High level mathematician to see a delta of 20 games.
The SEC is smart enough to know that the permanent rivals should be of a historic nature. Otherwise, if it was about the last 10 years, what in the world would Tennessee be doing on the list? The SEC also gets that it's about the balance of power in scheduling.
The Saban Bowl is when this LSU rivalry took off. Which makes it about as Johnny come lately as it gets.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:42 pm to AwgustaDawg
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In my mind there are 4 games in the SEC which must be played every year...UGA/Auburn, UGA/UF, Alabama/Auburn and Alabama/UT
Egg Bowl ain't going nowhere.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:43 pm to JKChesterton
I know the Rebs are going to keep the Egg Bowl, but I hope we keep LSU and Arkansas too.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 1:44 pm to GaryGator
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Florida with Oklahoma as a permanent is just weird. No, it's just seems forced and stupid. It should be Tennessee or Kentucky or even LSU.
Agreed, and it should be Auburn or LSU IYAM.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:22 pm to JayAg
Glaring obvious mistakes are TENN Vs. SCAR and KY Vs. Georgia. Not sure why they chose what they chose. That needs to be swapped.
Also, who is LSU going to play on the last weekend? I definitely figured it would be Arkansas. This is all strange.
Also, who is LSU going to play on the last weekend? I definitely figured it would be Arkansas. This is all strange.
Posted on 3/6/23 at 2:36 pm to bamameister
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The SEC is smart enough to know that the permanent rivals should be of a historic nature. Otherwise, if it was about the last 10 years, what in the world would Tennessee be doing on the list? The SEC also gets that it's about the balance of power in scheduling.
The Saban Bowl is when this LSU rivalry took off. Which makes it about as Johnny come lately as it gets.
The SEC, from what I gathered, used 3 metrics:
1) Maintaining all Traditional rival games
2) Competitive balance in the schedule
3) Geography
Using the last 10 years (OU and Texas Big12 schedule), the top 4 teams were Bama, UGA, OU and LSU, in that order and the next 4 (not sure of order) were Florida, Texas, Auburn and Aggie.
TENN is in the 2nd tier and I think ranked around 12th. Vandy of course is 16th.
So Bama gets Auburn and TENN, which is for all Bama supporters, clear rival games and vice versa for TENN/Auburn fans.
LSU thus is the game that fits the competitive balance metric giving Bama 2 top 8 teams and 1 2nd 8 team.
LSU gets Bama and Aggie as their top 8 teams and gets Ole Miss, which is the team we have played 2nd most (111 times. Miss. State is in fact the team LSU has played the most at 117 times. So if it was purely historic nature as you suggest, then LSU's top 2 played teams among the charter SEC members are Miss. State and Ole Miss. So I don't think LSU fans would have minded keeping those 2 as our permanent and I guess the A&M game which would have been 3 of the 4 closest campuses in terms of geography as well (Bama is actually the 3rd closest campus, Aggie 4th)
Bama at 87 and FLorida at 69 are 3rd and 4th for LSU. So had LSU gotten Florida as its 2nd top 8 rather than Bama, then you all would have gotten OU. Florida get UGA and OU. So that is a case when competitive balance > geography.
Bama: TENN/Auburn
UGA: Florida/Auburn
Auburn: Bama/UGA
Texas: Aggie/OU
Aggie: LSU/Texas
LSU: Aggie/Bama
Florida: UGA and OU
OU: Texas and Florida
The OU/Florida series was to again ensure the competitive balance of all top 8 playing 2 other top 8. Thus, the bottom 8 all play 2 among the other 2nd tier 8.
And while I do agree that LSU and Bama is not a rival in the "historic sense across all metrics used to define a rival game", it has been based on TV ratings the most watched game over the last 10 years. So now that ESPN is the sole broadcast partner of SEC ball, I think they went to the league office and said the LSU/Bama game is one they want in their inventory. Just my guess.
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