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re: Deep South’s Oldest Rivalry to be played 10-10-2020
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:03 am to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:03 am to fibonaccisquared
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waited until the '25 timeline to revisit the schedule imbalance
I know there's no way to know this really, but IYO do you think the SEC will consider that? Back in 2012 when they made the schedules through 2025 that pretty much put a nail in any changes utnil then, but I'm curious if in the next batch of schedules they'll consider fixing the problem or just not GAF by then.
Also my memory fails but you probably know...a couple years ago when UF/LSU did their switch up (2 straight in BR/2 straight in gainesville) how did they make that work with the other schedules?
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:22 am to WG_Dawg
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I know there's no way to know this really, but IYO do you think the SEC will consider that? Back in 2012 when they made the schedules through 2025 that pretty much put a nail in any changes utnil then, but I'm curious if in the next batch of schedules they'll consider fixing the problem or just not GAF by then.
Frankly, I don't think they will unless we move UF away from Jax (which I absolutely don't want). We were an easy target because of the neutral site game against UF, they could arbitrarily shift our "home/away" credit there if they needed to, so they worked backwards from that IMO. In order to squeeze things in the way they did, moving the Auburn Home/Away rotation off kilter resulted in the "least harm" to the collective SEC schedule balance in their opinion... If we were to move our UF game to true home and home, I could see us making a very reasonable argument that our home/away rotation is pure shite at that point from a ticket sales perspective and bitch about fixing the situation... But I'd rather deal with Auburn off cycle and in early October than lose WLOCP in Jax... I could also see the SEC forcing Auburn to remove the cupcake "held spots" in the second to the last week after 22 and them possibly backing down on the UGA needs to be earlier.
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Also my memory fails but you probably know...a couple years ago when UF/LSU did their switch up (2 straight in BR/2 straight in gainesville) how did they make that work with the other schedules?
They were imbalanced those years, the rest of the schedule didn't change, but it was acceptable because it didn't create a permanent imbalance. Weather forced the off-cycle game, LSU/UF then just gave back the home game in an act of good faith... so they were 5/3 for 2 years, but it went back to normal. Much different than what would happen were Auburn to just give us an extra home game and then trigger a permanent 5/3. I maintained that if Auburn could have waited until 2023 (or 25... not sure of the exact timeline of when they revisit, if it's before the 25 season or after), they could have given the home game back and then said to the SEC, "we fixed the issue with Alabama, UGA being off cycle", time for you guys to figure out the mess going forward. It might not have worked, but it would have been better than bitching to get the game moved up.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:27 am to fibonaccisquared
The current opposite division schedules are set through 2025 and we play in AU that year, I wish the SEC would just start their framework from the perspective of uga/au playing in athens the following 2 seasons then base their opposite division home/away schedules off that. Probably won't happen though.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:35 am to Korin
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Don't they usually have a creampuff before Bama?
Not in 2020....unless you mean LSU.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:44 am to BowlJackson
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Eh, not as difficult as UGA then Bama
What? You never played played Bama and UGA within a week of each other recently.
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 10:12 am
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:46 am to RD Dawg
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What? You never played played Bama and UGA within a week of each other
Wanna bet?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:48 am to Korin
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Don't they usually have a creampuff before Bama?
Yeah, and FBS schedules shows that they have something booked in 2021 and 2022. Not sure if those are tentative or if the SEC can force them to move rent-a-win games... Given that the SEC could force UF to skip playing Presbyterian to complete the SEC schedule, I'd imagine they have some degree of leverage to have Auburn free up that date if they request it.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:49 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Wanna bet?
How often has it happened in the 12 game regular season in the last 20 years?Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:50 am to fibonaccisquared
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How often has it happened in the 12 game regular season in the last 20 years?
Every year up until about 10 years ago.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:55 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Wanna bet?
In the regular season?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:55 am to RD Dawg
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In the regular season?
Yes
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:56 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Every year up until about 10 years ago.
I see back as far as 2007 that the games were sequential but there was a bye week... Recency bias makes it feel like that and the cupcakes have been the case longer I guess? Interesting... I guess maybe it didn't feel as big of a deal in the early 2000's while Alabama was going through the dark ages of sanctions and recovery? #beforeSaban
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:57 am to fibonaccisquared
We played back to back up until 2008. 2009 marked the start of a cupcake in between uga/bama.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:01 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
Unless I'm missing something. 2007 had a bye week in between (Nov 17th open date)?
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But yeah... that makes sense. Misread the 2008 schedule on first glance I guess.
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But yeah... that makes sense. Misread the 2008 schedule on first glance I guess.
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 10:02 am
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:07 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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We played back to back up until 2008. 2009 marked the start of a cupcake in between uga/bama.
Looks like you had a bye week in the 70's and 80's and then it changed in the 90's up to '07.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:23 am to WG_Dawg
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The current opposite division schedules are set through 2025 and we play in AU that year, I wish the SEC would just start their framework from the perspective of uga/au playing in athens the following 2 seasons then base their opposite division home/away schedules off that. Probably won't happen though.
I would have no problems with two games @UGA. However in 2025 I hope the SEC looks a little more out of the box with scheduling with a pod or divisionless system. Yes that would take the NCAA changing rules on CCG but if the SEC requested it I bet they would do it. CCG were not even a thing until we requested it.
On another note, the straight back to back seem to only be a thing for 2020. In 2021 and 2022 we already have a cupcake scheduled for what was the week between UGA and bama so looks like those years would be LSU, cupcake, bama.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:30 am to krandor
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I would have no problems with two games @UGA. However in 2025 I hope the SEC looks a little more out of the box with scheduling with a pod or divisionless system. Yes that would take the NCAA changing rules on CCG but if the SEC requested it I bet they would do it. CCG were not even a thing until we requested it.
This. There's simply no sense in not at least exploring the option... By expanding to 14 teams, we really created an exaggerated impact of the divisions, and killed some fun games that we used to get to play more frequently... for UGA, I know many looked forward to LSU and Ole Miss road games. We're only just now playing A&M for the very first time since expansion. I know I've heard AU fans talk about wanting UF and UT games more often... I'm sure other teams are in the same boat. Just feels like pods creates better "intermingling" of the schools, better balance to the schedules, etc... Other than perhaps creating awkward CCG conversation with the NCAA, I just don't see why it has to be too complicated.
Let the other conferences stupidly add a 9th game against each other, and meanwhile we show everyone what scheduling innovation actually looks like... Do 8 game Pods and a minimum of 1 P5 opponent every year, target of 2.. or something like that.
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 10:31 am
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:33 am to GeauxPack81
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Auburn requests to move DSOR away from Bama game, so the SEC office gives them LSU right before Bama.
I’d rather play Orgeron than Kirby too. Smart move for Auburn.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:36 am to fibonaccisquared
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This. There's simply no sense in not at least exploring the option... By expanding to 14 teams, we really created an exaggerated impact of the divisions, and killed some fun games that we used to get to play more frequently... for UGA, I know many looked forward to LSU and Ole Miss road games. We're only just now playing A&M for the very first time since expansion. I know I've heard AU fans talk about wanting UF and UT games more often... I'm sure other teams are in the same boat. Just feels like pods creates better "intermingling" of the schools, better balance to the schedules, etc... Other than perhaps creating awkward CCG conversation with the NCAA, I just don't see why it has to be too complicated
I agree with you about the problem with a lack of cross divisional play, but I think there is a simpler solution than pods (which was tried in the WAC but fans didn't like as they found it too confusing). We should just get rid of divisions and use the same approach for scheduling football that we do for basketball--play 3 teams every year, then play the other 10 alternating years (5 one year, then the other five the next). That get's you home and away games with the entire conference over a four year span, and you never go more than one year without playing a conference foe.
It would require a rule change, but the Big XII got one for a title game, and I'm sure the SEC would if it wanted.
I'd do the permanent opponents something like this:
Bama: Auburn, State, UT
Arkansas: Mizzou, A&M, LSU
Auburn: Bama UF, UGA
Florida: Auburn, UGA, USC
UGA: USC, UF, Auburn
Kentucky: Mizzou, UT, MSU
LSU: A&M, Ole Miss, Arkansas
Ole Miss: State, LSU, Vandy
Miss. State: Ole Miss, Bama, UK
Missouri: Arkansas, A&M, UK
South Carolina: UGA, UF, Vandy
Tenn: Vandy, UK, Bama
A&M: LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou
Vandy: UT, Ole Miss, USC
Posted on 8/8/19 at 10:54 am to twk
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I agree with you about the problem with a lack of cross divisional play, but I think there is a simpler solution than pods (which was tried in the WAC but fans didn't like as they found it too confusing). We should just get rid of divisions and use the same approach for scheduling football that we do for basketball--play 3 teams every year, then play the other 10 alternating years (5 one year, then the other five the next). That get's you home and away games with the entire conference over a four year span, and you never go more than one year without playing a conference foe.
When I refer to "pods" this is the rough outline of what I'm envisioning...
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I don't care about the specific teams, and yes it absolutely meets the criteria of what you are describing, home and away with every team within 4 years, and play every team at least once every 2 years.
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