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re: Connor Shaw could've been Joe Burrow if not for some bad breaks. Or so they say....
Posted on 1/31/23 at 11:32 am to MountainDawg
Posted on 1/31/23 at 11:32 am to MountainDawg
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Connor Shaw was the main cog in those South Carolina teams during those years. Spurrier and Clowney get a lot of the limelight, but without Shaw, those years would have been subpar for the Gamecocks.
The defense and Lattimore were great. Spurrier single handedly cost Lattimore millions by quite literally running him until he broke.
That guy is a classic example of why - if you’re a blue chip RB — you should pick a college with other great tailbacks around you so you don’t have to carry the rock 40 times a game and risk ruining your career.
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Posted on 1/31/23 at 11:39 am to FireDanMullen
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Spurrier single handedly cost Lattimore millions by quite literally running him until he broke.
Yeah, a dirty hit by a Tennessee player blew up Lattimore's knee, not Spurrier.
This post was edited on 1/31/23 at 11:41 am
Posted on 1/31/23 at 11:44 am to FireDanMullen
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The defense and Lattimore were great. Spurrier single handedly cost Lattimore millions by quite literally running him until he broke.
That guy is a classic example of why - if you’re a blue chip RB — you should pick a college with other great tailbacks around you so you don’t have to carry the rock 40 times a game and risk ruining your career.
This is a bad bad bad take.
His first injury was a freak accident while blocking. The second was a high low hit. Neither of those were from running too much. Any running back first carry or 1000th would have torn ACL's on both those instances. it was unlucky
Posted on 1/31/23 at 11:59 am to RoyalAir
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Shaw is the best QB we've had since Mizzou has been here, true. I think Rattler can take that title next year,
No offense but Rattler couldn't hold Shaw's jockstrap. Shaw went up against better defenses and either won or stayed competitive against them.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:15 pm to blueprint_one
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No offense but Rattler couldn't hold Shaw's jockstrap. Shaw went up against better defenses and either won or stayed competitive against them
None taken. I see where you're coming from. Shaw maximized his talent, and had great leadership abilities.
Rattler has significantly more talent, and some of those same abilities. If he pulls off an 11-2 season like Shaw had, it's certainly up for debate.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:20 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Own this..
WE did, the next season. He kind of got tired and just quit. He's had a problem with that at the next level as well.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:24 pm to RoyalAir
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Shaw was 17-0 at home. That ought to count for something, and it's like a forgotten stat.
Shaw outplayed the hell out of Murray in 2012, *his* win in the series.
I'm not comparing Shaw to Burrow. Burrow has hardware. But I am saying he is desperately underrated in recent SEC history, and added a contemporary as my rationale.
Better runner than Murray. Nowhere near the passer.
Aaron threw for over 3000 yards all four seasons he played. Shaw never threw for 2500.
Aaron's worst season in passing TDs was his freshman year at 24. Other than that, he was over 30 every year, even his last where he missed the final two games due to injury.
24 was Shaw's best. By far his best.
This post was edited on 1/31/23 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:40 pm to koreandawg
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Better runner than Murray. Nowhere near the passer.
Aaron threw for over 3000 yards all four seasons he played. Shaw never threw for 2500.
Aaron's worst season in passing TDs was his freshman year at 24. Other than that, he was over 30 every year, even his last where he missed the final two games due to injury.
24 was Shaw's best. By far his best.
and this sums up why Shaw was successful in college and not the pros .
he is a game manager and a damn good one at that. He won ball games by scoring some, extending drives and not turning it over. The defense did their job and kept teams from going crazy. He was still a great leader and tough player but he wasnt a gun slinger. I still have Garcia over him in a lot of departments. The defenses just werent as good for Stephen.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:42 pm to koreandawg
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He kind of got tired and just quit.
And there's your REAL difference between Murray and Shaw...
This post was edited on 1/31/23 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 1/31/23 at 1:13 pm to GamecockUltimate
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That defense had a ton of pros on it. Gilmore, Ingram, Clowney, Swearinger, etc. The defense got credit for good reason.
Shaw was tough and with Alshon we won a ton of ball games, but it wasnt the offense carrying those teams.
I agree. It wasn't the offense carrying those teams. It was Connor Shaw. He made things happen with grit and determination. He outsmarted opposing defenses. He made something out of nothing many times. As for the defense during those years, it was good, true. They had some good games, but never really shut the opposition down consistently. In the close games, if you take one of those defensive players away, the Gamecocks still win. If you take Connor Shaw away, the Gamecocks lose all the close ones. Shaw has my vote for the best QB the Gamecocks have ever had.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 2:01 pm to GamecockUltimate
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This is a bad bad bad take. His first injury was a freak accident while blocking. The second was a high low hit. Neither of those were from running too much. Any running back first carry or 1000th would have torn ACL's on both those instances. it was unlucky
It really isn’t and you have a risk to have a career ending injury every time you touch the ball. So saying there’s no difference between 1 carry and 1,000 carries is eliminating mathematic odds.
There’s a term “shelf life” for RBs bc the more Carrie’s the more miles on the back. Spurrier would run that dude into the ground. And continued to do so after his first injury.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 2:03 pm to koreandawg
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Better runner than Murray. Nowhere near the passer. Aaron threw for over 3000 yards all four seasons he played. Shaw never threw for 2500. Aaron's worst season in passing TDs was his freshman year at 24. Other than that, he was over 30 every year, even his last where he missed the final two games due to injury. 24 was Shaw's best. By far his best.
I thought Murray was incredibly underrated. Put Murray on Bama’s Mccaron led teams and Bama doesn’t lose a game in 3 years.
Put McCarron on those UGA teams and they are average at best
Posted on 1/31/23 at 2:23 pm to MountainDawg
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if you take one of those defensive players away, the Gamecocks still win. If you take Connor Shaw away, the Gamecocks lose all the close ones. Shaw has my vote for the best QB the Gamecocks have ever had.
Clowney won us a lot of games.
Big Sack vs UT
Plays against UGA
4 sacks vs Clemson
shaw was good, but put Garcia or Thompson in there and we probably win as many games.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 2:24 pm to FireDanMullen
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It really isn’t and you have a risk to have a career ending injury every time you touch the ball. So saying there’s no difference between 1 carry and 1,000 carries is eliminating mathematic odds.
There’s a term “shelf life” for RBs bc the more Carrie’s the more miles on the back. Spurrier would run that dude into the ground. And continued to do so after his first injury.
but thats not how it works. Shelf life isnt referring to freak accidents.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:15 pm to GamecockUltimate
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put Garcia or Thompson in there and we probably win as many games.
Thompson would come close, Garcia would not.
I loved Stevie G. But he singlehandedly cost us Atlanta in 2011 because of his piss poor play against Auburn.
When Thompson got the job in 2014, his offense was lethal. He just had absolutely no defense whatsoever.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 3:23 pm to RoyalAir
Garcia is also the only QB to reach atlanta as a Gamecock. The auburn bullshite stings, but part of that was the university and Hyman being assholes.
Id say its also the difference between Garcia and Shaw. Shaw was never going to throw you into a game, but he wasnt going to throw you out of it. Garcia could light it up and took some chances.
man I miss both ...
Id say its also the difference between Garcia and Shaw. Shaw was never going to throw you into a game, but he wasnt going to throw you out of it. Garcia could light it up and took some chances.
man I miss both ...
Posted on 1/31/23 at 6:06 pm to GamecockUltimate
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shaw was good, but put Garcia or Thompson in there and we probably win as many games.
Yes, Garcia was a good one, too!
Posted on 1/31/23 at 6:21 pm to GamecockUltimate
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Garcia is also the only QB to reach atlanta as a Gamecock.
He was also the only one to benefit from Marcus Lattimore finishing the season healthy.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 6:29 pm to Furlong the Red
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Connor Shaw was one of the SEC greats. It's a shame that he played for a lesser SEC program. At Texas A&M even Coach Sumlin would have guided him to an All-American season.
South Carolina has been to the SEC title game, Aggies couldn't even win the West with a Heisman winner
Posted on 1/31/23 at 10:03 pm to Lonnie Utah
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And there's your REAL difference between Murray and Shaw...
I'm confused here. Clowney got tired and quit. He was a non factor in his last game vs. UGA.
Aaron threw for 8 tds total in 3 games vs. Clowney. I'll admit that we didn't handle him in the middle game in Carolina. But he was a non factor in his final game vs. Georgia. Never did anything. We scored 40 plus.
You guys seem to be able to block out the bad games of your glory run. There were some.
This post was edited on 1/31/23 at 10:04 pm
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