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Comparing Saban to Payton is insanity
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:53 pm
1st of all college is only 50% actually football at BEST. The other 50% is being a used car salesman AKA recruiting.
2nd, Saban just lets his coordinators do the Xs and Os while he acts as CEO. While there is merit in that, Payton takes it to another level.
Payton designs plays on a weekly basis that didn’t exist in the football world the previous week, such as running a play with 3 QBs or a play with no QB, no RB for some real insanity.
This is possible because Payton doesn’t have to spend time on recruiting. He can devote 100% of his time to football.
Finally it’s Sabans conservative nature that makes him a poor fit for the highest level. You have to score every possession in the NFL. Teams that don’t aim for that fail spectacularly.
The whole point of this thread is that being a good football coach is not required to win in CFB. You just have to be an elite recruiter and hire good coordinators without interfering with them.
2nd, Saban just lets his coordinators do the Xs and Os while he acts as CEO. While there is merit in that, Payton takes it to another level.
Payton designs plays on a weekly basis that didn’t exist in the football world the previous week, such as running a play with 3 QBs or a play with no QB, no RB for some real insanity.
This is possible because Payton doesn’t have to spend time on recruiting. He can devote 100% of his time to football.
Finally it’s Sabans conservative nature that makes him a poor fit for the highest level. You have to score every possession in the NFL. Teams that don’t aim for that fail spectacularly.
The whole point of this thread is that being a good football coach is not required to win in CFB. You just have to be an elite recruiter and hire good coordinators without interfering with them.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 2:07 pm
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:55 pm to MaroonMonsoon
Ok so why is Lovie Smith failing at Illinois?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:55 pm to MaroonMonsoon
Payton has had a top 3 NFL QB for 12 straight years. Wonder how great he'd be if Brees left after the 2nd year?
He was also under .500 3 straight years in a row from 2014-2016... Saban don't do that.
Although I have no clue why we're having this argument.
He was also under .500 3 straight years in a row from 2014-2016... Saban don't do that.
Although I have no clue why we're having this argument.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:55 pm to MaroonMonsoon
Hey, it was just a goofy thought on a boring morning of deer hunting.
I could think differently when I wake up tomorrow
I could think differently when I wake up tomorrow
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:55 pm to MaroonMonsoon
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Comparing Saban to Payton is insanity
Creates thread stating comparing the two is insane, then promptly compares the two.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:56 pm to KSGamecock
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KSGamecock
Because he’s a poor football coach who is too conservative for modern football.
Very bad at designing plays at every level.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:58 pm to MaroonMonsoon
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Because he’s a poor football coach
Yeah Saban just suck suck sucks.
Someone get a hold of your alter- he's saying really stupid things.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:59 pm to MaroonMonsoon
He was 12 points away from being a Super Bowl winning coach.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:00 pm to piggilicious
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Yeah Saban just sucks sucks sucks.
Who in the world claimed this? I’m talking about Lovie Smith.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:00 pm to MaroonMonsoon
Oh well then I'm stupid.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:00 pm to KSGamecock
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KSGamecock
And Gene Chizk won a national championship.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:01 pm to MaroonMonsoon
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Saban just lets his coordinators do the Xs and Os while he acts as CEO
Did he act as CEO and have others do the X's and O's for him while he was a very good DC in the NFL?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:02 pm to MaroonMonsoon
one has one championship they other has 6.
Are you saying recruiting isn't part of college football?
Pretty damned stupid if you are
Are you saying recruiting isn't part of college football?
Pretty damned stupid if you are
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:03 pm to jchamil
No? Because he was a DC then and not a HC?
You’re statement has no point. Right now, he’s not an Xs and Os guy. Him being one in the past has no relevance due to how much football has changed since then.
You’re statement has no point. Right now, he’s not an Xs and Os guy. Him being one in the past has no relevance due to how much football has changed since then.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:04 pm to bbvdd
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bbvdd
No, but that great recruiters often aren’t great game day coaches which is a required element of the NFL.
You’re statement doesn’t make any sense.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:05 pm to KSGamecock
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Ok so why is Lovie Smith failing at Illinois?
Because it (sports, especially football) isn't a priority at the University. Plus kids don't want to come to Chambana. And last, we recruit thugs from Chicago who get in trouble down here and end up leaving.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:06 pm to KSGamecock
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Ok so why is Lovie Smith failing at Illinois?
Because he’s a shitty salesman compared to Saban.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:10 pm to WhereOrWere
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Because he’s a shitty salesman compared to Saban.
Everyone is. Saban would not be as successful getting kids to come to central Illinios
campus is nice and this is a great area, but not for kids who want to play football. Look at basketball, it's dying too at U of I. 
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:11 pm to tmjones2
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Payton has had a top 3 NFL QB for 12 straight years. Wonder how great he'd be if Brees left after the 2nd year?
Payton did that with a QB that Saban passed on to sign Dante Culpepper.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:11 pm to MaroonMonsoon
This is some really dumb stuff
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