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Posted on 5/4/19 at 5:28 pm to TailbackU
Posted on 5/4/19 at 5:28 pm to TailbackU
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Making student loans available to anyone and pushing that 'everyone needs to go to college' is a political trope that led to the universities to raise tuition and bloat their own administratons with layers of unecessary bureaucracy and useless curricula to appeal to a broader and broader number of students.
I agree 100% that’s the primary culprit of tuition increases. And I think it’s been exacerbated by reductions in state funding.
The flagship state school will be fine, but those 2nd and 3rd tier (but still expensive) public schools are going to struggle
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Posted on 5/4/19 at 5:28 pm to Glorious
Still can’t remember.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 7:48 pm to Blueprint
The University of Alabama has faced much criticism from within the state of Alabama and even outside the state for recruiting so many out of state students. But UA has never made it easier for out of state students to get admitted than in state students. And in fact, it has frozen in state tuition two years in a row, and is now offering merit scholarships for in state applicants with an ACT as low as 21 as long as they have GPA's of 3.5. Of course, the higher the ACT, the bigger the scholarship, but it is still very generous to offer scholarships to students with an ACT of 24 or less.
This post was edited on 5/4/19 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 5/4/19 at 8:00 pm to UAtide11
Colleges and Universities in sanctuary cities should offer open admissions and free tuition to all. It's the humane thing to do. 
Posted on 5/4/19 at 9:27 pm to ArkLaTexTiger
I have taught college at three different schools, and I can assure you that at two of those schools, a significant percentage of students were borderline retarded. Even at the "good school," a significant minority really did not belong there.
No one today thinks they should have to do blue collar work. But the normal distribution of IQ proves that most college students should not be in college.
No one today thinks they should have to do blue collar work. But the normal distribution of IQ proves that most college students should not be in college.
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Posted on 5/4/19 at 9:28 pm to TailbackU
What sucks is the individual culture of these schools is being eroded by it too. When you have mostly out of state kids who don’t really care about the area they’re in (see Alabama as a prime example) the school doesn’t seem to have a culture. I think LSU is getting worse but when I went there it was an 80/20 split so basically everyone I met at school was from Louisiana which enhanced the culture of the school. My brother goes to WVU and it’s also something like 60% OOS. I’ve met dozens and dozens of his friends. Not one have I met that is from West Virginia or really knows anything about the local area or explores it. Just shows up to this one town in the state for 4 years, hardly leaves it or investigates the area around it, then leaves. It was nice going to LSU and having all of my friends be multiple generational Tigers and if they weren’t, their families had been in Louisiana multiple generations and carried that pride with them.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 9:29 pm to TailbackU
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As an example (in my house),a kid from Georgia who is a good student could get in to Purdue easier than he could get into Georgia Tech, and a good student from Indiana could get into Tech but not Purdue, however both would have to pay out-of-state tuition. A kid from Tennessee can get into Georgia easier than a kid from Georgia can get into Georgia. Y
Depends where in the state you are from, but if you are in the high testing areas of Metro Atlanta with UGA/Tech or Fairfax County with UVA........you are absolutely correct.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 9:32 pm to jlovel7
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What sucks is the individual culture of these schools is being eroded by it too. When you have mostly out of state kids who don’t really care about the area they’re in (see Alabama as a prime example) the school doesn’t seem to have a culture.
I do sort of agree, but I also think to be honest it's good to have outside blood question some things.
Alabama has had some of our "culture" questioned and removed in the last 5-10 years that should have been burned out 25 years ago. I think a lot of it had to do with outsiders who didn't understand it combined with folks who just went along with it finally deciding not to anymore.
But overall, I agree. It is eroding the schools cultural ethos and making it into a bunch of Wal Marts.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 10:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I think describing it as a cultural wal Mart is spot on. And I think you can still have that necessary change and infusion of evolution you were alluding to without going overboard like a lot of schools are doing. I enjoyed LSU’s split. Still dominated by instate kids but enough out of state that you definitely are exposed to different viewpoints and they have a big enough voice to question things that need to be questioned.
Posted on 5/4/19 at 10:37 pm to TailbackU
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also think its criminal to saddle a young person with what amounts to be a mortgage without a house. Before they ever set out on their own.
Tuition is not the problem. Actually quite minute compared to the average salary differences, college tuition is one of the best investments you can make. The problem starts for most when “cost of living” is then added to the loans. That and besides the overall bad decisions on where to go and what to do/take in college. There is a strong disconnect and blame game going on with zero accountability
Posted on 5/4/19 at 10:39 pm to jlovel7
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And I think you can still have that necessary change and infusion of evolution you were alluding to without going overboard like a lot of schools are doing. I enjoyed LSU’s split. Still dominated by instate kids but enough out of state that you definitely are exposed to different viewpoints and they have a big enough voice to question things that need to be questioned.
Amen. And I agree. I think a solid mix of out of state kids is very healthy and good.......I think having 60-70% OOS kids is a recipe for long term disaster. And I think Alabama has used the OOS money very well and improve every aspect of campus, but it's time to evaluate what's going on and whether things are getting out of hand.
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:31 am to SummerOfGeorge
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quote: And I think you can still have that necessary change and infusion of evolution you were alluding to without going overboard like a lot of schools are doing. I enjoyed LSU’s split. Still dominated by instate kids but enough out of state that you definitely are exposed to different viewpoints and they have a big enough voice to question things that need to be questioned. Amen. And I agree. I think a solid mix of out of state kids is very healthy and good.......I think having 60-70% OOS kids is a recipe for long term disaster. And I think Alabama has used the OOS money very well and improve every aspect of campus, but it's time to evaluate what's going on and whether things are getting out of hand. This post was edited on 5/4 at 10:41 pm
Well that is why UA is now focused on increasing in state enrollment. As I wrote in a post above, UA is now offering scholarships even to in state applicants with ACTs as low as 21, as long as they have a GPA of 3.5. It has also frozen in state tuition for two years now.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:38 am to UAtide11
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State universities generally have two sources of revenue
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state funding and student* tuition + fees.
I suggest you add Research $$$$ and Entertainment $$$$
I also suggest you add marketing and advertising $$$$
If you built a dorm a generation ago it had a cafeteria, now it has a Starbucks
Posted on 5/5/19 at 9:49 am to Arksulli
Nice post. I always told my children if you want to go to college, go to be something. Don't go to college just to get a degree. A young person could learn a good trade and one day have their own business with the skills they have learned and developed.
Posted on 5/5/19 at 10:16 am to TailbackU
Well I don’t know about the other schools ...
But UGA freshman class. Accepted 82% of the class from the state of Ga
16% was from the other 49 different states- all represented that’s 920 out of 5750
The other 2% came internationally from 47 countries that’s 134 of 5750
UGA had 26,448 applicants... i mean what is expected... seems pretty reasonable. 141 counties are represented out of 159.
UGA excepts all Valedictorian and Salutatorians from all GA accredited high schools with classes with at least 50 students.... so there is a way to make sure you get in.
But UGA freshman class. Accepted 82% of the class from the state of Ga
16% was from the other 49 different states- all represented that’s 920 out of 5750
The other 2% came internationally from 47 countries that’s 134 of 5750
UGA had 26,448 applicants... i mean what is expected... seems pretty reasonable. 141 counties are represented out of 159.
UGA excepts all Valedictorian and Salutatorians from all GA accredited high schools with classes with at least 50 students.... so there is a way to make sure you get in.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 2:59 pm to kp1728
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 3:54 pm to InGAButLoveBama
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 4:11 pm to TailbackU
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They are completely fricking the taxpayer in each state.
Not as much as you claim. You're assuming that states fund the majority of public universities' budgets. This used to be true, but it isn't anymore.
If you want specifics, the State of Alabama funds only about 10% of the operating budget of the University of Alabama. This is the primary reason why UA has recruited so many out-of-state students. Tuition brings in twice as much revenue as state funding, and the majority of that comes from out-of-state tuition.
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 4:19 pm to NYCAuburn
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Tuition is not the problem. Actually quite minute compared to the average salary differences, college tuition is one of the best investments you can make. The problem starts for most when “cost of living” is then added to the loans. That and besides the overall bad decisions on where to go and what to do/take in college. There is a strong disconnect and blame game going on with zero accountability
This is the best post in this thread...just thought I’d point it out.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 4:24 pm to TailbackU
FakeTailbackU (AU)...I take it that you couldn't get into either Georgia or Georgia Tech, right?
Schools have the right to choose whomever they want. If you don't like it, try applying to the University of Moscow...I'll bet they'll take you.
Schools have the right to choose whomever they want. If you don't like it, try applying to the University of Moscow...I'll bet they'll take you.
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