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re: College football administrations are dumb
Posted on 12/14/20 at 9:56 am to RD Dawg
Posted on 12/14/20 at 9:56 am to RD Dawg
No point in bellyaching about supply and demand. The SEC just signed another 10-year contract with ESPN that promises even more prosperity. Boosters have crazy money and if they want to buy a Gus Bus instead of a Caribbean Island so be it.
College football is as much a business as the NFL and just a quick review of top salary comparisons of head coaches would bear that out.
College football is as much a business as the NFL and just a quick review of top salary comparisons of head coaches would bear that out.
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Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:10 am to NYCAuburn
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College football administrations are dumb
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should be unacceptable for a state-funded university.
What does this have to do with any of it? Everything is privately funded
Even though funding is largely private, they are all still state employees, except at Vanderbilt. That brings accountability. This is true throughout high school and college athletics. Private booster clubs raise tons of money, but state governments require that school administrations be accountable for how those funds are spent.
Plus, as state employees, they are members of the state retirement system. In Alabama, you're vested after 10 years of service. And guess who now has 10 years in the Alabama retirement system. They should have fired him last year. Now, the $21M will be credited toward Malzahn's earnings when he retires. Malzahn could live to be 100, and the Alabama taxpayers will still be sending him checks.
Beng a state-funded university has EVERYTHING to do with it.
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 10:24 am
Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:17 am to Robot Santa
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Auburn's administration decided it was better to pay Gus twice what he's worth than roll the dice on Jimmy Sexton bluffing about Arkansas.
I can't believe Auburn didn't call Sexton/Gus on that bullshite. Want to go to fricking Arky and coach there? See you later!
Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:18 am to Eli Goldfinger
I agree.
And I'm almost to a point where I'm done watching college football. The Muschamp buyout makes me sick.
And I'm almost to a point where I'm done watching college football. The Muschamp buyout makes me sick.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:20 am to GetCocky11
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And I'm almost to a point where I'm done watching college football. The Muschamp buyout makes me sick.
At least South Carolina taxpayers won't be on the hook for sending Boom retirement checks in his old age.
Just watch Gustav live to be 100...still cashing those checks from Montgomery.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:43 am to BamaGradinTn
"Private boosters" need to get a life instead of paying millions to be jock sniffers.
They can say buyouts are "paid by boosters" or whatever, but it's still a finite pool of money. If Joe Big Wallet is paying for a coach to hire a moving van, then he's not donating to the engineering dept or subsidizing academic merit based scholarships, etc.
It's pretty nauseating. Chad Morris got $10 million to leave Arkansas without ever winning a single conference game. It's ludicrous. ADs should lose their jobs over that crap. I have no problem with big salaries for successful coaches, but the buyouts...Jimmy Sexton and other agents go in dry on these dumb ADs.
They can say buyouts are "paid by boosters" or whatever, but it's still a finite pool of money. If Joe Big Wallet is paying for a coach to hire a moving van, then he's not donating to the engineering dept or subsidizing academic merit based scholarships, etc.
It's pretty nauseating. Chad Morris got $10 million to leave Arkansas without ever winning a single conference game. It's ludicrous. ADs should lose their jobs over that crap. I have no problem with big salaries for successful coaches, but the buyouts...Jimmy Sexton and other agents go in dry on these dumb ADs.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:48 am to Chad4Bama
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"Private boosters" need to get a life instead of paying millions to be jock sniffers.
They can say buyouts are "paid by boosters" or whatever, but it's still a finite pool of money. If Joe Big Wallet is paying for a coach to hire a moving van, then he's not donating to the engineering dept or subsidizing academic merit based scholarships, etc.
It's pretty nauseating. Chad Morris got $10 million to leave Arkansas without ever winning a single conference game. It's ludicrous. ADs should lose their jobs over that crap. I have no problem with big salaries for successful coaches, but the buyouts...Jimmy Sexton and other agents go in dry on these dumb ADs.
How do you not include coach Saban in that, big time? He didn't come to Tuscaloosa for his health.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 10:56 am to bamameister
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"Private boosters" need to get a life instead of paying millions to be jock sniffers.
They can say buyouts are "paid by boosters" or whatever, but it's still a finite pool of money. If Joe Big Wallet is paying for a coach to hire a moving van, then he's not donating to the engineering dept or subsidizing academic merit based scholarships, etc.
It's pretty nauseating. Chad Morris got $10 million to leave Arkansas without ever winning a single conference game. It's ludicrous. ADs should lose their jobs over that crap. I have no problem with big salaries for successful coaches, but the buyouts...Jimmy Sexton and other agents go in dry on these dumb ADs.
How do you not include coach Saban in that, big time? He didn't come to Tuscaloosa for his health.
Nick Saban is one of a very, very small group where the investment has overwhelmingly paid for itself and reaped huge financial dividends. Alabama's enrollment, especially out of state enrollment, has risen. Endowments have risen. Donations to those departments like engineering, etc., have risen.
On a dreary January 2, 2009 night, walking back to my hotel room from the SuperDome, I passed a giddy Utah fan in his sixties who asked me if we were going to ask Saban to give back some of that money we had paid him. I explained that in the last year not only had donations to the athletic department risen by $10M, but that donations to the academic side of the university had also risen by $10M. He got this befuddled look on his face, unable to comprehend such a thing, and genuinely disappointed that his joke had fallen flat.
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 10:57 am
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:06 am to BamaGradinTn
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Nick Saban is one of a very, very small group where the investment has overwhelmingly paid for itself and reaped huge financial dividends. Alabama's enrollment, especially out of state enrollment, has risen. Endowments have risen. Donations to those departments like engineering, etc., have risen.
And so it goes at Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, LSU, etc. And you don't have to be part of the upper class to make the school you are working for a ton of revenue.
Coach Saban didn't come with a crystal ball. He never put together a back to back 10 win season in any of his previous stops, even in Baton Rouge. Bama fans knew he was about as transient a head coach as existed with his personality.
Bama hit the lotto.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:06 am to Eli Goldfinger
Salaries are not going to change, but get rid of the ridiculous buyouts.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:15 am to bigDgator
There's only a handful of coaches who are worth a big buyout. If I was an AD I would call these coach's bluff. I would have enough confidence in my ability to hire another coach who could match an 8-4/9-3 type coach I'm not saddling the program with ridiculous contracts.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 11:21 am to Eli Goldfinger
I am very surprised that we haven't seen younger up-and-comers throwing around disruptive offers to mid-major schools.
If I were a promising FCS coach in my 20's or early 30's, I'd be pimping myself to Sunbelt schools with an increasing win-based incentive structure.
1W - $0
2W - $0
3W - $20,000
4W - $20,000
5W - $50,000
6W - $100,000
7W - $150,000
8W - $250,000
9W - $500,000
10W - $1,000,000
11W - $2,000,000
12W - $3,000,000
Post-season: based on bowl
If I go winless, I get nothing. If I suck, you pay me nearly nothing. If I go .500, you pay me the same as a plant worker. I have to win 9 games just to pass the lowest paid Sunbelt coach. But if I win 10 games, I am tied with the highest paid coach in the league. If I go undefeated, you have to pay me like a P5 coach for that year. Buyout happens only if you fire me midseason and you have to assume I would have won the rest of the games on the schedule. School pays my living expenses up to $75K for the first year since I won't see anything until the end of the season. You can deduct that from my first year's pay.
There is no scenario where you pay me tons of money to suck.
I realize there are tons of problems with such a model, but I'm still surprised that no one has really gone out and publicly made this kind of offer. It would immediately put you on the national radar with news stories, etc.
If I were a promising FCS coach in my 20's or early 30's, I'd be pimping myself to Sunbelt schools with an increasing win-based incentive structure.
1W - $0
2W - $0
3W - $20,000
4W - $20,000
5W - $50,000
6W - $100,000
7W - $150,000
8W - $250,000
9W - $500,000
10W - $1,000,000
11W - $2,000,000
12W - $3,000,000
Post-season: based on bowl
If I go winless, I get nothing. If I suck, you pay me nearly nothing. If I go .500, you pay me the same as a plant worker. I have to win 9 games just to pass the lowest paid Sunbelt coach. But if I win 10 games, I am tied with the highest paid coach in the league. If I go undefeated, you have to pay me like a P5 coach for that year. Buyout happens only if you fire me midseason and you have to assume I would have won the rest of the games on the schedule. School pays my living expenses up to $75K for the first year since I won't see anything until the end of the season. You can deduct that from my first year's pay.
There is no scenario where you pay me tons of money to suck.
I realize there are tons of problems with such a model, but I'm still surprised that no one has really gone out and publicly made this kind of offer. It would immediately put you on the national radar with news stories, etc.
This post was edited on 12/14/20 at 11:28 am
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:12 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Plus, as state employees, they are members of the state retirement system. In Alabama, you're vested after 10 years of service. And guess who now has 10 years in the Alabama retirement system. They should have fired him last year. Now, the $21M will be credited toward Malzahn's earnings when he retires.
That’s not how it works. His just like Sabans salary for the retirement is around 100-200k not in the millions.
Posted on 12/14/20 at 1:12 pm to bamameister
quote:No, but he did take a pay cut.
How do you not include coach Saban in that, big time? He didn't come to Tuscaloosa for his health.
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