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re: College Fball Playoff Bubble Teams + At Large - Resume/Performance Metrics

Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:37 am to
Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:37 am to
Sooo…Indiana is out?

No. Because the facts are easily ignored.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:39 am to
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Sooo…Indiana is out?

No. Because the facts are easily ignored.


They've got 1 loss and they've absolutely pounded every average/bad team they've played (as opposed to others with poor schedules like Miami). I think it's pretty reasonable for them to be in a 12 team playoff given the teams vying for at large bids. Winning all your games against middle of the road/bad teams (and doing it with machine like precision) is actually something that should be rewarded this season, IMHO, given the way the season has played out for almost everyone.

They should probably be a #9-10 seed and go on the road, but they should be in.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 11:41 am
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:44 am to
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
90111 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:46 am to
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They should probably be a #9-10 seed and go on the road, but they should be in.


I'm curious how a team like indiana and their current resume would be viewed against a UGA that loses the SECCG. We'd have 3 losses but every one of them a great, "quality" loss. We'd have 4 high quality wins. Toughest SOS in america. Received 3rd loss in a confernece championshipo game that only a ahndful of teams nationally even got to play in.

I wonder if that would be enough to be ranked above a 1-loss big 10 team that went 0-1 in games against teams that resemble something above a D2 squad.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 11:50 am to
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I'm curious how a team like indiana and their current resume would be viewed against a UGA that loses the SECCG. We'd have 3 losses but every one of them a great, "quality" loss. We'd have 4 high quality wins. Toughest SOS in america. Received 3rd loss in a confernece championshipo game that only a ahndful of teams nationally even got to play in.

I wonder if that would be enough to be ranked above a 1-loss big 10 team that went 0-1 in games against teams that resemble something above a D2 squad.



My view on those is that teams like Indiana that haven't beaten a playoff caliber team, or haven't even played one, should have a very definite ceiling in this playoff structure. They have done enough to be in, but you don't get to be in the "host a game" discussion if your best win is a 7-5 team and your next best wins are a couple of 6-6 teams. Especially coming at the expense of a team with 4-5 wins better than that losing to a Top 3 team at a neutral site. There is nothing reasonable about that.
Posted by OKBoomerSooner
Member since Dec 2019
5137 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:02 pm to
1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Arizona State
4. Boise State
5. Notre Dame
6. Ohio State
7. Texas
8. Penn State
9. Tennessee
10. Indiana
11. Alabama
12. Clemson

My guess as of right now based on that information. Miami is definitely done and SMU is out if they lose. It’s down to Bama and Ole Miss for the final at-large.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:04 pm to
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3. Arizona State
4. Boise State


This would be wild, but it's absolutely on the table if Clemson wins the ACC.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
54578 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:04 pm to
Looks like South Carolina is in
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51551 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:09 pm to
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If Cam Ward wins the Heisman do they put them in just so the Heisman is playing or do they count the Heisman a consolation prize for missing the playoffs?

The final playoff rankings will be out next Sunday and the Heisman ballots aren’t due until next Monday, so I don’t think that will factor into the committee’s decision.
Posted by OKBoomerSooner
Member since Dec 2019
5137 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:16 pm to
It’s possible Boise is ahead of Arizona State there, I didn’t put too much thought into that question. But I do think Clemson beats SMU.

If SMU does win then you basically just rearrange 3, 4, 12.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:18 pm to
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It’s possible Boise is ahead of Arizona State there, I didn’t put too much thought into that question. But I do think Clemson beats SMU.

If SMU does win then you basically just rearrange 3, 4, 12.


Yep, I agree with you. If Clemson, Boise and ASU win then Boise and ASU are clearly going to get 2 of the 4 byes.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
34250 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:25 pm to
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I'm a firm believer that the championship games should not COST a team a spot,


On the flip side: what if the team that makes the championship game played a charmin schedule to get to there and are exposed as such in the game.

Should you punish a team that had a rigorous schedule during the year?
Posted by GreatPumpkin
Member since Mar 2022
3243 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:30 pm to
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I think SMU's resume and the fact that they haven't played a Top 15 level team lowers the "how bad was the loss" factor in the ACCCG to around 2 TDs, but I agree that they should not be punished for being given an extra game basically on the road vs a Top 20/25 team. If they lose 21-17 or something they should be in. If they lose 34-14 then when coupled with a pretty empty resume then I think they lose that benefit.
wouldn’t you have to put BYU above SMU at that point? They’d both have 2 losses but BYU would have head to head
Posted by 1801
Charleston
Member since Aug 2012
8609 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:35 pm to
Average Rank of Losses -

USC 9.7



ALA 30.3
OLE 30.7



MIA 44.0






Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7827 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:36 pm to
you should add another row... record/winning percentage.
Indiana would be first, then SMU (assuming the lose the ACCCG... otherwise they wouldn't factor into this), then Miami/Tennessee/OSU, then UGA (assuming they lose SECCG, otherwise they wouldn't factor into this), then Bama/Ole Miss/SC.

Then maybe add a rank row for the average categories (and for the record row as well).

So it would look like this: Top 3 for each category.

Record: 1. Indiana. 2. SMU 3. Tie (Tennessee/Miami/OSU)
Average performance: 1 - OSU. 2. tie (OM/Bama) 4. UGA 5. Tennessee
Average resume: 1 - OSU. 2. UGA 3. Bama 4. Indiana 5. Tennessee
Average Best Wins: 1- UGA 2. Bama 3. SC 4.Tennessee 5. Ole Miss
Average Best losses: 1 - Indiana 2. UGA 3. SC 4. OSU 5. Tennessee

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:38 pm to
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wouldn’t you have to put BYU above SMU at that point? They’d both have 2 losses but BYU would have head to head


Yea, that's a good point. Which is why it will really matter if they treat the conference title game as just another game or weigh a loss less heavily.

A 13 game SMU schedule with a loss to Clemson and BYU and their wins, just on the face of it, is probably pretty much equal to BYU's 12 game schedule (losses to Kansas and ASU but wins over 8-4 KSU and Baylor). And BYU beat SMU in Dallas.

Who knows what they'd do in that situation. Not even sure they know. Just throw some shite against a wall and then say some random phrases on TV after is my guess.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9385 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:39 pm to
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wouldn’t you have to put BYU above SMU at that point? They’d both have 2 losses but BYU would have head to head


Of course, the committee would point to the extra Championship Game but, it's a good point.

BYU would have almost the same resume as SMU -- the worse loss but with a TOP25 win AT SMU.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:39 pm to
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you should add another row


Only so many rows that show up in excel and can be put in an image

Different people give different weights to different areas. Just wanted to get as much of the data out there as a I could and let folks look at it and discuss. Also, the far right of the list are all basically guaranteed to be in. I just added them for comparison to the "bubble" teams.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted by GreatPumpkin
Member since Mar 2022
3243 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:42 pm to
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Yea, that's a good point. Which is why it will really matter if they treat the conference title game as just another game or weigh a loss less heavily. A 13 game SMU schedule with a loss to Clemson and BYU and their wins, just on the face of it, is probably pretty much equal to BYU's 12 game schedule (losses to Kansas and ASU but wins over 8-4 KSU and Baylor). And BYU beat SMU in Dallas. Who knows what they'd do in that situation. Not even sure they know. Just throw some shite against a wall and then say some random phrases on TV after is my guess.

It’ll make for good viewing but I don’t think the conference championship model as it stands is very tenable. I’d much rather be in Tennessee’s position than Georgia or Texas who are about to go to war this weekend.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:44 pm to
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It’ll make for good viewing but I don’t think the conference championship model as it stands is very tenable. I’d much rather be in Tennessee’s position than Georgia or Texas who are about to go to war this weekend.


It's completely unnecessary at this point, especially given the convoluted and Byzantine way the participants are determined due to the bloated conferences. However, it makes a lot of money, and because of that it I see very little chance they get rid of it anytime soon.
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