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re: Coaches vs. AP Top 25 teams
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They have been everything from an air raid team to almost an Auburn 2010 style shotgun option run team in his time there.
Good point, Leach has always been what he is and that is why you will get the game like last Saturday every once in awhile.
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Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:28 pm to rockiee
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Yep and I think that is the disconnect here with Kyle. He was pretty anti-Mullen when most though he was doing a very solid job because he never won the "big games".
Which I would agree matters when people start talking about a guy as a great coach on a big, national level, etc etc.
But there is also something to being a coach who consistently wins games at a clip clearly better than that program's history.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:28 pm to Pettifogger
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Leach needs a program where he can "be" the program. Anywhere the vibe is "coach, when you put on that Tennessee orange you're following in the footsteps of..." just isn't gonna work.
We have always been waiting him to take control of tFlagship. It was meant to be
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Which I would agree matters when people start talking about a guy as a great coach on a big, national level, etc etc.
And coincides with him being a fan of a big time program. I can understand his point of view, just think he focuses in a little too much on that aspect.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 12:32 pm to rockiee
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And coincides with him being a fan of a big time program. I can understand his point of view, just think he focuses in a little too much on that aspect.
Yea - Leach would be a disaster at Alabama or Georgia or Tennessee or wherever.
Petti definitely nailed it above - if he's just the "next coach" as a cog of the fabric of a program then that just ain't gonna work. He has to be able to come in and cobble it all from his own clay.
He was built for NWA
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:22 pm to BHMKyle
Why only AP?
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(ranking at the time the game is played)
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:23 pm to yatesdog38
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Where is Dan Mullen?
Already won more games against final ranked teams in one year at UF than in 9 years at MSU. Your obsession is noted though.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:32 pm to Bench McElroy
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I'm more interested to find out their records against teams that finished in the AP Top 25.
record against final ranked teams (highest in AP or Coaches)
Bob Stoops: 42-35
Bowden @ Florida State: 74-66
Harbaugh @ Michigan: 7-12
Meyer @ Florida: 15-13
Meyer @ Ohio State: 20-6
Saban @ Alabama: 45-17
Spurrer @ Florida: 40-26
Swinney: 27-17
Vince Dooley: 31-47
All I've done so far.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:38 pm to Hobnailboot
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Gus, I don't understand at all. Less than 50% vs. top 25? And I would think this has gotten worse over the years (not sure). If I were an Auburn fan (vomit), I would want him the F outta there, and absolutely nothing that has transpired during this young season would make me change my mind.
Gus has done things that no other coach has done. He also plays the toughest schedule in football year after year.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:40 pm to Korin
wrong
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:42 pm to Korin
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Saban @ Alabama: 45-17
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:49 pm to yatesdog38
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wrong
Prove it.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:54 pm to BHMKyle
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1. Nick Saban, Alabama (2008-2019): 60-18 (76.9%)
Alabama only has 15 losses since 2008.
2008: 12-2
2009: 14-0
2010: 10-3
2011: 12-1
2012: 13-1
2013: 11-2
2014: 12-2
2015: 14-1
2016: 14-1
2017: 13-1
2018: 14-1
Posted on 9/25/19 at 1:58 pm to TideSaint
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1. Nick Saban, Alabama (2008-2019): 60-18 (76.9%)
Alabama only has 15 losses since 2008.
I just presumed he had a typo and meant to include Alabama first season in 2007.
I know all 15 losses from 2008 and on were to ranked teams.
Lost to a ranked #22 Georgia, #3 LSU and #25 Auburn in 2007.
So 18 losses (based on ranking at game time)
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:05 pm to Decker
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Coach O is 2-4 against teams that finished in the top 10. Neither measure is perfect; having both gives better context.
IOW he's 0-3 against Alabama
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Have you checked the bottom of the SEC lately? It's about as bottom of the barrel as you can get right now.
... not like the PAC12. Going back to 2012, here are the 20 lowest rated SP+ teams from either the PAC 12 or the SEC in terms of annual final rank:
#74 2017 California
#76 2018 UCLA
#77 2014 Washington St.
#78 2015 Kentucky
#79 2012 Washington St.
#80 2018 Colorado
#81 2016 Arizona St.
#84 2014 Vanderbilt
#84 2015 Vanderbilt
#85 2016 S. Carolina
#87 2013 California
#87 2014 Colorado
#87 2015 Colorado
#87 2016 Arizona
#88 2015 Oregon St.
#91 2012 Kentucky
#102 2015 Oregon St.
#109 2017 Oregon St.
#111 2018 Oregon St.
#112 2012 Colorado
Of the twenty worst teams, 15 are from the PAC 12 and 5 are from the SEC. Like I said, some of those bottom teams in the PAC 12 are absolutely horrific.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It's kind of like Mullen at State. Mullen won 8 games a year at State with the same general formula - he won his crappy OOC games, he beat the teams below and around him and he lost (most of the time) to the elite teams on their schedule.
That's exactly it. Only Mullen was better at usually beating the teams below MSU. Like I said early, Leach is almost always up for losing one game per season to a terrible team with a losing record.
Somehow Mullen was even worse against Top 25 teams. At MSU he was 8-32 against Top 25 teams.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:21 pm to TideSaint
Sorry that should have read 2007
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:22 pm to BHMKyle
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At MSU he was 8-32 against Top 25 teams.
And is off to a good start at Florida. Many expected that record was more MSU than him and so far that looks to be correct.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 2:39 pm to rockiee
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And is off to a good start at Florida. Many expected that record was more MSU than him and so far that looks to be correct.
Jury is still out. He was 3-1 last season against Top 25 teams. This year he'll likely face three such teams in the regular season: Auburn, @ LSU, and Georgia. He'll be an underdog in 2 of those games and the other one will be close to a pick 'em. If he were to drop all three, he'd fall to 3-4 against Top 25 teams heading into a bowl game.
Really need at least 10 or 12 games to get a good idea.
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