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re: Coaches Association asks NCAA rules committee to address players 'faking' injuries
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:13 pm to 3down10
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:13 pm to 3down10
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With the way the rules are now, if a player injures his arm, he has to fall to the ground. Because they won't let him sub out any other way.
I think you're exactly right.
While there are obviously egregious examples to the contrary, sometimes there are simple injuries that could be addressed off the field, but with the current rules coaches tell players to drop, because there is not enough time to adequately sub otherwise.
It's hard to tell how much of this is actual 'faking' versus taking advantage of the rules to counteract the increased speed of the game.
In other words, players are getting legitimate cramps worked out on the field of play instead of on the sideline, which also serves to slow down the game to their advantage. Doesn't mean they're necessarily faking, but it could still be seen as a problem, I guess.
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:17 pm to NYCAuburn
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The offense is already limited far more than the defense. Do you think the defense should be given more advantages beyond what they are already given?
When was the last time you watched a college football game?
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:49 pm to 3down10
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When was the last time you watched a college football game?
apparently you have never watched football. So what rules does the defense have prior to snap vs offense?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:51 pm to NATidefan
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It is exactly that. It's one of the HUNH biggest advantages. It prevents the defense from having time to substitute players.
No it doesnt. It hinders it. There is a major difference. Defenses still sub in the HUNH currently. you just have to be prepared
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How so? Especially in an era of HUNH, RPO with the three yard rule, targeting rules, etc.
see post above, my last reply in this thread. answer that.
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What advantages are defenses given?
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r do you want it to be more of a chess match where both teams get to line up with their best players for the situation?
That is not the case with the rules the offense has to abide by.
quote:Crippled? come on... yall are just miming saban. oh and three yard rule...another rule the offense has to abide by...
Like it or not, the HUNH and RPO three yard rule have crippled the defenses of the past.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 2:53 pm to paperwasp
Why? This is no different than asking for there to be a rule limiting the offenses ability to run plays at a faster pace. Leave it alone
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:06 pm to NYCAuburn
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apparently you have never watched football. So what rules does the defense have prior to snap vs offense?
You mean other than having to adjust to everything the offense is doing on the fly?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:23 pm to 3down10
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You mean other than having to adjust to everything the offense is doing on the fly?
So like playing the game, nothing rules related. gotcha...
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:30 pm to nicholastiger
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The rule about missing rest of drive or burn a timeout. Seems like a good deterrent
Haven't read the whole thread so maybe this was brought up but in this case coaches will probably just sub in their 4th string kicker or something and tell him to fall down. Or a player who doesn't matter if they play the rest of the drive or not.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:32 pm to gohogs141
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Haven't read the whole thread so maybe this was brought up but in this case coaches will probably just sub in their 4th string kicker or something and tell him to fall down. Or a player who doesn't matter if they play the rest of the drive or not.
The problem arises from the substitution rules. If the O doesn't sub, the D doesn't get a chance to, or if they try to, risk having players out of position at the snap, or worse, too many men on the field, drawing a penalty. Just running a backup in to fall down is too obvious that you are skirting the rules.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:38 pm to Weagle25
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Remember the days when Saban and Bert were so concerned for “player safety”? HUNH was literally killing babies.
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[Oct 3, 2012] From the sound of it, Nick Saban is not a big fan of the up-tempo, no-huddle craze that seems to be engulfing college football and producing Xbox-like offensive numbers.
"I think that the way people are going no-huddle right now, that at some point in time, we should look at how fast we allow the game to go in terms of player safety," Saban said Wednesday on the SEC teleconference.
"All your players are walking around and can't even get lined up. That's when guys have a much greater chance of getting hurt, when they're not ready to play. It's obviously created a tremendous advantage for the offense when teams are scoring 70 points and we're averaging 49.5 points a game. More and more people are going to do it."
"Is this what we want football to be?"
Despite his concern, Saban literally asked if up-tempo is what we want. And y'all giddily said, "Yes."
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2011 ALABAMA Scoring
Points Per Game (PPG) - 34.0
2020 ALABAMA Scoring
Points Per Game (PPG) - 48.5
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:39 pm to NYCAuburn
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Crippled? come on... yall are just miming saban. oh and three yard rule...another rule the offense has to abide by...
You are an idiot.
Another rule the offense has to abide by???
Well shite, let's just let the offensive line block 10 yards up field and then the QB follow them, then throw a forward pass after he is five yards past the line of scrimmage.
I mean, the rules are so unfair to the offenses putting up the biggest numbers they ever have in the history of football.
Bama just went 20 straight games scoring 35 points or more and averaging around 45 ppg since switching to running more rpo and hunh.
Before that we were averaging 35 ppg.
But our D is also giving up about 10 more ppg on average.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:43 pm to nicholastiger
Honestly I’m tired of the way targeting is called
I don’t want the officials with another judgment type call that can influence games
I don’t want the officials with another judgment type call that can influence games
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:47 pm to paperwasp
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"Is this what we want football to be?"
Despite his concern, Saban literally asked if up-tempo is what we want. And y'all giddily said, "Yes."
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2011 ALABAMA Scoring
Points Per Game (PPG) - 34.0
2020 ALABAMA Scoring
Points Per Game (PPG) - 48.5
Exactly, it's like the Barners in this thread think we are playing the victim to HUNH and RPO.
Meanwhile, we are racking up huge offensive stats and setting records and they just fired their offensive mastermind.
This post was edited on 2/17/21 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:48 pm to paperwasp
So there was a lot of auburn on that video then.
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A tape of questionable injuries was sent to all FBS programs as a quasi warning.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:51 pm to nicholastiger
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Honestly I’m tired of the way targeting is called
I don’t want the officials with another judgment type call that can influence games
Targeting is not going away, it really is a safety issue. But I dont think the player should be ejected on the first offense.
Just make it a big penalty and ejection on second offense.
Too many players are getting ejected for accidental targeting.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:52 pm to BluegrassBelle
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It's essentially punishing everyone for the acts of a handful of players/coaches.
A penalty flag punishes all the other players and coaches who didn't commit the penalty.
I don't see the difference. Sitting out a series if you have to go down isn't the worst thing--could allow for more time for assessment. The opposite could also be true, someone being more willing to "play hurt" to avoid having to miss the rest of the series.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 3:58 pm to Datfish
That right there should be a delay of game penalty
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:06 pm to nicholastiger
Have the press box official review video of any player that "suddenly" collapses on the field. If the official deems the player was faking, or if coaches or another player motioned to him to collapse, then call an Unsportsmanlike Penalty on each one. Remember, two UPs and the player or coach is disqualified.
Or, call a UP on the head coach and the player and enforce both.
Or, call a UP on the head coach and the player and enforce both.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:45 pm to paperwasp
Posted on 2/17/21 at 4:47 pm to paperwasp
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