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re: Coach O sets record straight on LSU's offense.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:45 pm to 3down10
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:45 pm to 3down10
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He didn't "lead the offense". Coach O is just telling LSU fans/recruits what they want to hear. The other 30% were the calls made in critical situations.
Why would a head coach have Ensminger call all the plays and only go to Brady in "critical situations?"
That makes no sense.
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Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:46 pm to 3down10
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Coach O is just telling LSU fans/recruits what they want to hear.
I’m sure you know more about the situation than Coach O.
Like you knew more about COVID than the experts... derp.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:50 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Why would a head coach have Ensminger call all the plays and only go to Brady in "critical situations?"
That makes no sense.
Maybe because Ensminger was being taught a new offense so he could do it full time in the future?
What makes no sense to me is why you would put the guy being taught to do all the plays that occur in critical situations and not the ones that allow more chances/downs before getting to that point.
I'm pretty sure the guy learned what he needed to by the end of the year, so it doesn't really matter.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:53 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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I’m sure you know more about the situation than Coach O.
Like you knew more about COVID than the experts... derp.
I was only 3 months ahead of the experts in telling people what the actual fatality rate was(0.25%) rather than the 4-6% fear porn numbers others were claiming.
Although not really. I was just using the flu formula and plenty of other experts will tell you the same things I say. They just don't get spoon fed to you.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:53 pm to 3down10
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Maybe because Ensminger was being taught a new offense so he could do it full time in the future?
What makes no sense to me is why you would put the guy being taught to do all the plays that occur in critical situations and not the ones that allow more chances/downs before getting to that point.
I'm pretty sure the guy learned what he needed to by the end of the year, so it doesn't really matter
All parties involved agree that Ensminger dictated who called what and where.
That doesn't really speak to him being Brady's "pupil."
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:54 pm to 3down10
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What makes no sense to me is why you would put the guy being taught to do all the plays that occur in critical situations and not the ones that allow more chances/downs before getting to that point.
I'm looking at as Ensminger knows how to call plays, he just sucked at designing plays and then using the formations to dictate the defense. Once he and Brady implement that system in the offseason, Ensminger is then the one in charge on gameday calling the plays. He obviously takes some input from Brady and they work together, but even then that's Ensminger's decision as OC to allow the the passing game coordinator to be involved. That's literally coordinating the offense.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:54 pm to SidewalkTiger
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All parties involved agree that Ensminger dictated who called what and where.
That doesn't really speak to him being Brady's "pupil."
So the concept of consultants eludes you.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:56 pm to 3down10
You also said that the season wouldn’t be impacted - a few hundred times. How’s that looking Dr. Dumbass?
Posted on 7/29/20 at 9:58 pm to TigerLunatik
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Ed Orgeron spoke at the virtual Baton Rouge Rotary Club Wednesday and provided some updates on LSU's offense heading into the season.
Early into his comments, Orgeron made it clear that offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger called 75-percent of LSU's plays last year and that the spread offense will be the same even without former passing game coordinator Joe Brady.
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"Let me make sure everybody knows this. Steve Ensminger led this offense. Joe Brady taught us this spread offense, but Steven Ensminger led this offense and called 70 percent oft he plays."
Well, what's the alternative?
"Sorry kids, everyone who knew how to run an offense is gone. We're just up here, watching the CPU on Heisman mode on a copy of NCAA 2012 and writing down what it does."
I don't doubt LSU's offense will be good - no way they weren't paying attention to the things he installed.
He's also gone after just a year. How much was he able to impart? Is Ensminger really going to be able to replicate everything? He was an OC at LSU in 2016 (59th in total offense, 68th in scoring), at Auburn in 2008 (104th in total offense, 111th in scoring) - and all the way back to 1998 at Clemson.
But, at the end of the day, we'll see. Either Ensminger will prove his supporters right, or his detractors right, or somewhere in the middle (where his supporters are unhappy with his production, but it's still better than what his detractors think).
Will Steve live up to what LSU fans expect? Will he prove rival fans wrong? How many licks does it take to get the center of a Tootsie Pop?
The world may never know.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:00 pm to 3down10
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Q. How do you decide on what you want to do in the red zone each time?
STEVE ENSMINGER: Look, I have a game plan that's sitting right here. I'll be honest with you here. When we get in the red zone, 12 in, that's Joe Brady. Unless I want to run a play-action, go fast, we'll go. When we get inside the 12, I tell Joe, It's yours and he calls it.
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If its third and whatever and I have a call, I make it. If not, I tell him. He has it all highlighted. I'm like, Take it.
We can go to empty right now. I said, Joe, I'm going empty. Take it, he's ready for it.
Compact meaning our bunch packages, a condensed formation, stuff like that. He's better at that than I am. I know it. I tell him, Hey, I want to go whatever it is, bunch, pack 'em all in here. I said, Call it. He's ready for it.
This post was edited on 7/29/20 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:01 pm to skrayper
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He was an OC at LSU in 2016 (59th in total offense, 68th in scoring), at Auburn in 2008 (104th in total offense, 111th in scoring) - and all the way back to 1998 at Clemson.
Yes, but he isn't running that type of offense anymore (supposedly). That's the whole point of what Coach O is saying. Brady taught the spread concepts and Ensminger then led the offense with Brady's help of course. I feel like we may have covered this already.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:01 pm to skrayper
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He was an OC at LSU in 2016 (59th in total offense, 68th in scoring)
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at Auburn in 2008 (104th in total offense, 111th in scoring)
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Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:05 pm to WilliamTaylor21
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You also said that the season wouldn’t be impacted - a few hundred times. How’s that looking Dr. Dumbass?
I can't help it when people make stupid decisions based on optics rather than actual data and facts.
There was and still isn't a legit reason to cancel games. The virus will spread at conference games just as easily as it will spread at out of conference games.
And thus far, I'm quite a bit more right than those that were claiming no season at all.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:06 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Q. How do you decide on what you want to do in the red zone each time?
STEVE ENSMINGER: Look, I have a game plan that's sitting right here. I'll be honest with you here. When we get in the red zone, 12 in, that's Joe Brady. Unless I want to run a play-action, go fast, we'll go. When we get inside the 12, I tell Joe, It's yours and he calls it.
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If its third and whatever and I have a call, I make it. If not, I tell him. He has it all highlighted. I'm like, Take it.
We can go to empty right now. I said, Joe, I'm going empty. Take it, he's ready for it.
Compact meaning our bunch packages, a condensed formation, stuff like that. He's better at that than I am. I know it. I tell him, Hey, I want to go whatever it is, bunch, pack 'em all in here. I said, Call it. He's ready for it.
He's basically saying he lets Joe call the critical plays because he's still learning the offense.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:07 pm to 3down10
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those that were claiming no season at all
Never have understood the obsession with some to continually push the no season angle at every opportunity.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:07 pm to TigerLunatik
I'm just ready to start the season and answer these questions already.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Amen to that, brother. There wasn't enough actual football talk going on for my liking so I had to add this.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:09 pm to 3down10
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He's basically saying he lets Joe call the critical plays because he's still learning the offense
Or that he felt Joe was better with bunch formations and empty sets so he let him make those calls as opposed to it being "crucial situation" based.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:11 pm to TigerLunatik
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I'm looking at as Ensminger knows how to call plays, he just sucked at designing plays and then using the formations to dictate the defense. Once he and Brady implement that system in the offseason, Ensminger is then the one in charge on gameday calling the plays. He obviously takes some input from Brady and they work together, but even then that's Ensminger's decision as OC to allow the the passing game coordinator to be involved. That's literally coordinating the offense.
I don't know, he got shut out vs Alabama the previous year and Joe Burrow did not look good at all. Like no way in hell does that guy get drafted not looking good.
With the talent that was on that team, even with that system the offense should have been better with good play calling.
He has experience and no doubt he probably handled many of the non play calling duties way better than a younger OC would. I'm sure he's learned a lot and your offense will continue what it did last year. But I'm not buying this narrative that he was really leading the offense last year and especially not that he was teaching Brady(in the play calling/gameplanning area, probably had much to teach him in other areas).
Obvious consultant role.
Posted on 7/29/20 at 10:12 pm to TigerLunatik
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Amen to that, brother. There wasn't enough actual football talk going on for my liking so I had to add this.
Good thread - both good info and a hook to ensure squabbles
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