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re: CFB Rankings (#1-130) Beta Version #1 (entire rankings and data included)

Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:47 am to
Posted by BigBro
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:47 am to
Got it. Thanks.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:48 am to
Posted by FearlessFreep
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:48 am to
Looks pretty accurate to me.

I think Arky is a little high, but they definitely appear to be a top 20 team if not top 10. Ole Kiff is looking a lot like 2010 AU - phenomenal offense and just enough defense to beat the better teams on their schedule. Real test is coming in a couple of weeks.

AU is about where I would place them if I were voting.
Posted by BigBro
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:50 am to
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84. Colorado
85. Kent State
97. New Mexico


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27. Texas
109. Georgia Southern
122. Rice
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:51 am to
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AU is about where I would place them if I were voting.



Auburn will rise into #20-25 land when they play some good but not great teams, I'd imagine. They get the shaft on SOR because they beat 2 teams anyone would beat and lost to 1 team most teams would lose to, but they get a bump in Game Control because they obliterated those 2 teams and played the 1 team they lost to down to the wire.

Their Game Control is #26, which seems about right. Honestly, FPI sucks, but SOR and Game Control are 2 metrics that ESPN has that I really like.

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SOR:Strength of Record rank. Reflects chance that an average Top 25 team would have team's record or better, given the schedule.

GC:Game Control rank. Reflects chance that an average Top 25 team would control games from start to end the way this team did, given the schedule.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 8:54 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:52 am to
Yea - A&M had the QB injury so I give them some leeway on their performance so far (specifically Colorado), but their "on the field numbers" are........not great

#24 Strength of Record
#30 Average WP
#57 Game Control
Posted by BLG
Georgia
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:52 am to
The New Big 6

May as well get used to it.
Posted by Pitch To Johnny
Houston
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:56 am to
Using those 3 metrics I'm surprised A&M is ranked at all.

Next 3 weeks will have us where we belong, good or bad.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:59 am to
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Ole Miss ahead of Iowa at this point in the year lol


Wut? I don’t think OM is as good as they claim but they’re better than Iowa.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:01 am to
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Wut? I don’t think OM is as good as they claim but they’re better than Iowa.


how good are we claiming to be?
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:03 am to
You think you’ll beat Bama. I think that’s a clear message of your feelings
Posted by LB84
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:03 am to
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Wut? I don’t think OM is as good as they claim but they’re better than Iowa.


Iowa has 2 quality wins so far. Ole Miss has 0.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:03 am to
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You think you’ll beat Bama. I think that’s a clear message of your feelings


will or could?
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:04 am to
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Iowa has 2 quality wins so far. Ole Miss has 0.


I’ve watched their game. Corral was walking into the end zone for most of his tds last week. The jury is still out on him as well.
Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:04 am to
Since this is a Beta version.. I’ll offer my two cents..

You could add 1 or more human polls into the equation. As an example..
(AP+ Coaches)/2 * 10?%
to get some eyes on the formula.. it is biased, but sometimes they pick up things that are missing from the computers.

You could add Sagarin (or any other computer model) to the Rankings calc to give it a wider view. Similar to the BCS Rankings, each system has a little bias built in. This would smooth out the results a little bit.

Overall, I like it the way that it is.. Nice work.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:06 am to
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will or could?


I complement you and this is what you’re going after?

You guys will find some problems against SEC teams. I mean you got beat by a first time head coach and the same defense dominated corral. I don’t think we will get 6 picks again, but the defense is way better than last year.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:06 am to
Sagarin was one I considered, especially his "recent" numbers. To be honest, his stuff is just impossible to import over to excel in a clean way and I didn't think it would add a ton in there that wasn't already there.

Human polls I don't like much - one because they're silly a lot and two because it doesn't have a ranking for 1-130, which makes it hard to use.

Do think I'll tinker with Sagarin next week.

Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:07 am to

A human poll would only truly be helpful after week 5 or 6, minimum. 2020 results and preseason poll shakeouts are still occurring.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:09 am to
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his stuff is just impossible to import over to excel in a clean way and I didn't think it would add a ton in there that wasn't already there.


I’d love to run some things in R but I don’t want to spend time verifying everything or messing with data sets. I completely understand.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:10 am to
Yea - that stuff is fascinating and I appreciate the folks who do all that data mining and importing, I just only have time for the top level stuff
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