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CBS reporting the Cecil Newton admits to soliciting payments
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:31 pm
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Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:41 pm to TigerB8r
Wow, although I see Auburn and their fan as the victims in this little drama, I don't see how they can play him, although they likely will. I hate to see LSU profit by off field misfortunes and I'm not sure they will. I think in the mind of voters some of this stink will rub off on us.
Sorry Aubies, but as we learned with Ryan Perriloux, when you deal with low character people, you can easily get burned.
Sorry Aubies, but as we learned with Ryan Perriloux, when you deal with low character people, you can easily get burned.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:43 pm to TigerB8r
Looks like Auburn is going to ride Cam to where ever it takes. Either championships or oblivion.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:44 pm to TigerB8r
This has been covered on the SEC Rant. It's the beginning of the end for Auburn football.
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:46 pm to TigerB8r
SEC Rant where this would be Germans to the 100x
Posted on 11/12/10 at 11:51 pm to andouille
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don't see how they can play him, although they likely will.
Well if its true they are completely fricked already. Might as well play him and hope for the best.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 12:00 am to TigerB8r
wow! according to that article, it seems like everyone agrees that their was a clear rule violation when Cecil obtained the services of an agent to solicit money on behalf of his son. that is a fact which makes Cam ineligible. and they are still going let him play? one word ...
CORRUPTION!
CORRUPTION!
Posted on 11/13/10 at 12:14 am to Johnny Brannan
Is LSu gonna get the bump to # 2 in the nAtion if the camster is ruled ineligible ?
Posted on 11/13/10 at 1:35 am to ItsThatDude12
i've been doing a lot of reading on this. right now, it seems the NCAA is aware that there was a clear rules violation when Cam's father obtained the services of an agent to solicit money on Cam's behalf, and they are not doing much about it. that would mean that they are either going to ...
1 - conduct a long investigation (like the Reggie Bush case, 4 years!)
2 - maybe discuss this when the rules/infractions committee meets again (in Dec?) and perhaps take some sort of action then.
for now, it looks like Cam will be eligible for at least the regular season ... will probably get the Heisman ... only to be declared ineligible at a later time and have it taken away and have wins vacated. WOW! i can't believe the NCAA is going to blow this so soon after the Reggie Bush scandal. THEY MUST BE PRETTY INEPT!
1 - conduct a long investigation (like the Reggie Bush case, 4 years!)
2 - maybe discuss this when the rules/infractions committee meets again (in Dec?) and perhaps take some sort of action then.
for now, it looks like Cam will be eligible for at least the regular season ... will probably get the Heisman ... only to be declared ineligible at a later time and have it taken away and have wins vacated. WOW! i can't believe the NCAA is going to blow this so soon after the Reggie Bush scandal. THEY MUST BE PRETTY INEPT!
Posted on 11/13/10 at 6:42 am to 1ranter1
I totally agree---what do they have to lose? They would already be 0-10, so what's 2 more losses.
I also agree with Johnny's post that if the NCAA sits back and watches this (if it's true) happen, and THEN plays the Bush card, it would be a HUGE miscarriage of justice to everyone AU plays, and possibly others such as Boise, LSU, Stan., TCU, etc. that they don't even play!
I just love the way the NCAA thinks they can go into a situation years after it occurred, wave this "MAGIC WAND", and...poof, all is fixed, correct, everybody's happy, and all is well with the world Bf........shite!
If this were to happen, there may well be teams that will attain bowl eligibility AFTER it's all over, because the NCAA "gave" them another win 1,2,3, or yes--4 years after the "incident (s)"
The NCAA is the epitome of corporate Anerica--whatever makes them the most money is the route they're gonna take---which often, and possibly in this instance--is the path of least resistance
I also agree with Johnny's post that if the NCAA sits back and watches this (if it's true) happen, and THEN plays the Bush card, it would be a HUGE miscarriage of justice to everyone AU plays, and possibly others such as Boise, LSU, Stan., TCU, etc. that they don't even play!
I just love the way the NCAA thinks they can go into a situation years after it occurred, wave this "MAGIC WAND", and...poof, all is fixed, correct, everybody's happy, and all is well with the world Bf........shite!
If this were to happen, there may well be teams that will attain bowl eligibility AFTER it's all over, because the NCAA "gave" them another win 1,2,3, or yes--4 years after the "incident (s)"
The NCAA is the epitome of corporate Anerica--whatever makes them the most money is the route they're gonna take---which often, and possibly in this instance--is the path of least resistance
Posted on 11/13/10 at 6:51 am to tigermojo1
The stakes for those involved in the decision of whether to play Newton are much higher than simply the risk of forfeiture of games and a possible championship. The jobs and careers of Auburn's AD, head coach, assistant coaches, compliance director, even the university president are at risk if they make the wrong decision (to play him, if they have any good reason not to play him). If Newton is subsequently declared ineligible, it may cost several people their jobs because of penalities that Auburn may suffer for playing Newton when they knew or should have known he wasn't eligible.
Would you put your job on the line given that what is currently known to the public creates grave doubts about his eligibility?
Would you put your job on the line given that what is currently known to the public creates grave doubts about his eligibility?
Posted on 11/13/10 at 6:59 am to tigerinridgeland
Wrong is Wrong, Right is Right. If the NCAA drags their feet on this it proves they are just as in on the take as Cecil Newton. If this man admits to the NCAA that rules were broken then clear and concise action must be taken if the NCAA wants to keep any repect in all of this.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 7:14 am to TigerB8r
That line from Bobby Boucher's dad in the movie "Waterboy" keeps popping into my head every time I hear something on Cecil Newton. The line goes something like, "come on Bobby...........we could be podnuzz, like dat Tiga Woods and his dad"
There could be a pretty sweet Fark somewhere in here.
There could be a pretty sweet Fark somewhere in here.
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Posted on 11/13/10 at 7:16 am to ItsThatDude12
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Is LSu gonna get the bump to # 2 in the nAtion if the camster is ruled ineligible ?
No
Posted on 11/13/10 at 7:39 am to Farley
The FBI is going to question Kenny Rogers on Tuesday...the freaking FBI !!! They are involved because of the possibility that this is extortion and thats what it is really. The Newtons are pooping in their pants and will roll all over AU.
AU could play Newton today...but they also know that the NCAA is going to be pizzed off when judgement day comes. This was reported back in January and AU was advised back THEN that MSU filed a complaint about Newtons recruitment. AU hoped it would go away...so much for that happening huh?
The bottom line is that AU is suppose to have institutional control and was informed back in Jan about Newton & MSU. Schools are supposed to be dilligent in making sure players are eligible and I have a feeling AU has been informed by the NCAA & the SEC that it doesnt look good and they are playing Cam at their own risk.
If AU is smart they will cut their losses now and at least "appear" to be above board and not letting Newton play to save face. If they are dumb and say screw it...well....the loveiest village on the plains will look like Atlanta when Sherman marched through it after the NCAA gets done with it.
AU could play Newton today...but they also know that the NCAA is going to be pizzed off when judgement day comes. This was reported back in January and AU was advised back THEN that MSU filed a complaint about Newtons recruitment. AU hoped it would go away...so much for that happening huh?
The bottom line is that AU is suppose to have institutional control and was informed back in Jan about Newton & MSU. Schools are supposed to be dilligent in making sure players are eligible and I have a feeling AU has been informed by the NCAA & the SEC that it doesnt look good and they are playing Cam at their own risk.
If AU is smart they will cut their losses now and at least "appear" to be above board and not letting Newton play to save face. If they are dumb and say screw it...well....the loveiest village on the plains will look like Atlanta when Sherman marched through it after the NCAA gets done with it.
Posted on 11/13/10 at 7:39 am to TigerB8r
I don't see what AU can do other than let him continue to play. As mentioned above, what's the NCAA gonna do if he continues to play? Make AU forfeit twelve games as opposed to just ten?
The NCAA rules and regulations for college football irritate the shyte out of me. The athletes devote a very significant portion of their time to practice, as well as conditioning, and studying and learning the plays. This is in addition to maintaining an acceptable GPA throughout their college career in order to remain eligible. Yet these players can receive no payment for their services other than to receive a scholarship. . .
In my eyes, that's pretty much B.S.! It demonstrates how the NCAA acts like a bunch of disaffected housewives drunk on the heady power of their positions in the neighborhood association as they dictate to their neighbors what they can and can't do regarding their lawns, trees, fences, flagpoles, etc. . .
Tigerband members are paid a stipend for their services. Since their many hours of weekly practice are awarded with only one semester hour of college credit, the university pays them the maximum amount that a student worker could receive during a given week. (In the mid-80s this worked out to $40 per week, resulting in a bi-weekly check for $80.00.) It helped defray the cost of dry cleaning the uniform, and also provided a little beer money (the legal age at the time was 18 -- Oh! for a return to those wonderfully free days!).
Players of Cam Newton's caliber are undoubtedly going to play in the NFL. He knows it. We know it. We all also know that he probably isn't going to study petroleum engineering, astro-physics, medicine, or anything else that requires a lot of time that involves causing cramps in his cerebral cortex. So why not just prepare these players to be as successful as they can in professional sports? Course requirements would include some legal classes so that students could better understand any contract offered them by a pro team. A few classes on economics would be invaluable in teaching them how the market works and it would give them an understanding of how they should lay out their investments to prepare for the day that their professional playing days end.
I guess my main point is that the NCAA needs to lighten up on the ENFORCEMENT role that they play in college athletics and take a long, hard look at doing something REAL that actually helps these college athletes rather than simply trying to keep a level playing field throughout the college sports realms by imposing restrictions on what a prospective college athlete may be offered in return for the revenue that his or her performance may provide the university.
(Sorry to be so long winded. I should never mix bourbon and coffee. It makes for ridiculous tirades like this.)
The NCAA rules and regulations for college football irritate the shyte out of me. The athletes devote a very significant portion of their time to practice, as well as conditioning, and studying and learning the plays. This is in addition to maintaining an acceptable GPA throughout their college career in order to remain eligible. Yet these players can receive no payment for their services other than to receive a scholarship. . .
In my eyes, that's pretty much B.S.! It demonstrates how the NCAA acts like a bunch of disaffected housewives drunk on the heady power of their positions in the neighborhood association as they dictate to their neighbors what they can and can't do regarding their lawns, trees, fences, flagpoles, etc. . .
Tigerband members are paid a stipend for their services. Since their many hours of weekly practice are awarded with only one semester hour of college credit, the university pays them the maximum amount that a student worker could receive during a given week. (In the mid-80s this worked out to $40 per week, resulting in a bi-weekly check for $80.00.) It helped defray the cost of dry cleaning the uniform, and also provided a little beer money (the legal age at the time was 18 -- Oh! for a return to those wonderfully free days!).
Players of Cam Newton's caliber are undoubtedly going to play in the NFL. He knows it. We know it. We all also know that he probably isn't going to study petroleum engineering, astro-physics, medicine, or anything else that requires a lot of time that involves causing cramps in his cerebral cortex. So why not just prepare these players to be as successful as they can in professional sports? Course requirements would include some legal classes so that students could better understand any contract offered them by a pro team. A few classes on economics would be invaluable in teaching them how the market works and it would give them an understanding of how they should lay out their investments to prepare for the day that their professional playing days end.
I guess my main point is that the NCAA needs to lighten up on the ENFORCEMENT role that they play in college athletics and take a long, hard look at doing something REAL that actually helps these college athletes rather than simply trying to keep a level playing field throughout the college sports realms by imposing restrictions on what a prospective college athlete may be offered in return for the revenue that his or her performance may provide the university.
(Sorry to be so long winded. I should never mix bourbon and coffee. It makes for ridiculous tirades like this.)
Posted on 11/13/10 at 8:11 am to Swamp Angel
Everyone is assuming the only penalty the NCAA would impose is a forfeiture of the games Newton played in. What are the rules? If Auburn knows Newton is ineligible (because of an admission) and allows him to play anyway, wouldn't they need to be concerned about additional penalties, e.g. probation, loss of scholarships, etc.? If I were Auburn's counsel faced with an admission by the father I would advise them to not play Newton.
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