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re: Case study on punishing the SEC Champ game loser
Posted on 11/20/24 at 5:12 am to lsupride87
Posted on 11/20/24 at 5:12 am to lsupride87
There is a very distinct possibility that a three-loss Alabama team does not get into the CFP if it loses the SEC Championship Game. I don't know why some people can't acknowledge this but it is very possible. We would be sitting pretty if we were an 11-1 team coming into Atlanta. But leaving Atlanta with a 10-3 record vis an 11-2 record is night and day different.
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 5:16 am to RollTide1987
Agreed. And hell, we shouldn't have lost to Vandy OR UTk so it's not like we're any "deserving" over any other team
Posted on 11/20/24 at 5:40 am to lsupride87
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Not sure why people are thinking this would be unheard of or crazy.
Nobody thinks this. Everyone is acutely aware there's risk to playoff hopes for playing in the conference championship game.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 5:49 am to ronricks
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You can’t compare a 4 team playoff with a 12 team playoff. Not even in same stratosphere.
The same point applies, so obviously in the same universe.
The risk to Bama losing the 2024 SECCG is similar to the risk for UGA in the 2023 SECCG.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 5:52 am to RollTide1987
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But leaving Atlanta with a 10-3 record vis an 11-2 record is night and day different.
This. Any 2 loss team playing in a conference championship game is playing their first round of the playoffs.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:30 am to Che Boludo
If Bama were to lose and have three L's, they would be out and Tennessee would be in. If Texas loses, I believe they would still be in.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:48 am to AirbusDawg
I'm in the camp that a conference championship loser shouldn't get punished unless you're in a situation where a lowly ranked team sneaks in and somehow upsets the higher ranked team (possibility in Group of 5 this year with CSU.)
Let's say Alabama/Texas play in SECCG...1 score game. They get dinged for a 3rd loss because of an extra game? I hear it now..."conference championship games are the start of the playoffs." That's an 'idea' but the reality is the playoffs are and should be separate if you're truly finding the 12 best.
If you're going to get penalized for playing a 13th game, what's the difference in a school only playing 11 regular season games, reducing their risk of another loss? Because I can guarantee if say, App State, was good this year...they would be dinged for not playing a full schedule.
Let's say Alabama/Texas play in SECCG...1 score game. They get dinged for a 3rd loss because of an extra game? I hear it now..."conference championship games are the start of the playoffs." That's an 'idea' but the reality is the playoffs are and should be separate if you're truly finding the 12 best.
If you're going to get penalized for playing a 13th game, what's the difference in a school only playing 11 regular season games, reducing their risk of another loss? Because I can guarantee if say, App State, was good this year...they would be dinged for not playing a full schedule.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:22 am to djsdawg
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018 and 2023 are more examples of the SECC costing a team a playoff bid.
Yep. In 2017 Auburn already had 2 losses heading into the SEC championship game. So they had really put themselves into the position of having to win the SECCG to get into the playoffs. After that game they had three losses to Bama's one. So this really isn't a good example.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:23 am to panhandlebama
Saban caused that by leaving Hurts in vs Tua.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:27 am to lsupride87
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Im truly perplexed if y’all don’t get it
You're the only one not grasping the concept itt.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:35 am to lsupride87
Lose the Conf Champ game you should be out! Losing has to matter!
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:40 am to panhandlebama
quote:Hmmm
Yep. In 2017 Auburn already had 2 losses heading into the SEC championship game. So they had really put themselves into the position of having to win the SECCG to get into the playoffs. After that game they had three losses to Bama's one. So this really isn't a good example.
Bama will have 3 losses here, and there will be a 2 loss sec team that beat them sitting at 10…..
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:41 am to djsdawg
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The risk to Bama losing the 2024 SECCG is similar to the risk for UGA in the 2023 SECCG.
Georgia isn't Bama so they are not going to get the same benefit of the doubt for one. You cannot compare a 4 game playoff to a 12 game playoff. Its really not hard to understand.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:43 am to lsupride87
How the hell are people this stupid applying what happened in a 4 team model to a 12 team model.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:43 am to lsupride87
In the 10 year history of the 4 team CFP, here is how many spots the loser of the SEC championship fell in the CFP ranking.
2023 - 5 spots, GA 1st to 6th
2022 - 3 spots, LSU 14th to 17th
2021 - 2 spots, GA 1st to 3rd
2020 - 0 spots, FLA stayed at 7th
2019 - 1 spot, GA 4th to 5th (2 years in a row, ouch)
2018 - 1 spot, GA 4th to 5th
2017 - 5 spots, AU 2nd to 7th
2016 - 2 spots, FLA 15th to 17th
2015 - 1 spot, FLA 18th to 19th
2014 - 0 spots, MIZ stayed 17th
The most a team has dropped is 5 spots. That happened twice in 10 years. If a team is ranked 7th or higher going into the SEC championship, they have to feel pretty good about making the 12 team playoff even with a loss.
2023 - 5 spots, GA 1st to 6th
2022 - 3 spots, LSU 14th to 17th
2021 - 2 spots, GA 1st to 3rd
2020 - 0 spots, FLA stayed at 7th
2019 - 1 spot, GA 4th to 5th (2 years in a row, ouch)
2018 - 1 spot, GA 4th to 5th
2017 - 5 spots, AU 2nd to 7th
2016 - 2 spots, FLA 15th to 17th
2015 - 1 spot, FLA 18th to 19th
2014 - 0 spots, MIZ stayed 17th
The most a team has dropped is 5 spots. That happened twice in 10 years. If a team is ranked 7th or higher going into the SEC championship, they have to feel pretty good about making the 12 team playoff even with a loss.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 8:46 am
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:53 am to captdalton
You need to be 10th at worst to make the playoff this year likely
Possibly 9th
Possibly 9th
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:56 am to PeleofAnalytics
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Either someone thinks
1. It’s illogical to drop a conf champ game loser below someone who sat idle
Or
2. It’s ok to drop a conf champ game loser behind someone who sat idle
That’s it. That’s all that matters. And the committee has shown they believe #2
The amount of teams has zero relevance. It’s the thought of whether or not you think it’s ok to move a team below someone who didn’t pay the extra team.
quote:I truly weep for our country that you can’t understand
How the hell are people this stupid applying what happened in a 4 team model to a 12 team model.
Either someone thinks
1. It’s illogical to drop a conf champ game loser below someone who sat idle
Or
2. It’s ok to drop a conf champ game loser behind someone who sat idle
That’s it. That’s all that matters. And the committee has shown they believe #2
The amount of teams has zero relevance. It’s the thought of whether or not you think it’s ok to move a team below someone who didn’t pay the extra team.
This post was edited on 11/20/24 at 8:59 am
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:57 am to PeleofAnalytics
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How the hell are people this stupid applying what happened in a 4 team model to a 12 team model.
Look who is doing the comparisons its mainly Georgia and LSU fans. For some reason they lack simple math skills.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:58 am to lsupride87
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That’s all that matters. And the committee has shown they believe #2
In a four Team model. A 12 team model is not the same. 4 =/= 12. Even in Louisiana.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:59 am to lsupride87
UGA got shut out three times after SECCG losses. Depending on which team loses that game this year it might happen again.
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