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re: Can we just quit with the Deboer/Bama decline thing?
Posted on 5/23/25 at 7:20 am to Darindawg
Posted on 5/23/25 at 7:20 am to Darindawg
How long had Saban, Smart, Dabo been in coaching before those year? Not just a head coach but in and around high level coaching?
That’s the difference. Deboar coached non scholarship DIII for the overwhelming majority of his career. Then an OC for a season or 2 the a head coach for a season or two. He doesn’t have the knowledge or the connections to build a staff or recruit players. He needs a general manager to do everything but the stuff his staff (picked by the GM) does.
That’s the difference. Deboar coached non scholarship DIII for the overwhelming majority of his career. Then an OC for a season or 2 the a head coach for a season or two. He doesn’t have the knowledge or the connections to build a staff or recruit players. He needs a general manager to do everything but the stuff his staff (picked by the GM) does.
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Posted on 5/23/25 at 8:34 am to Draco Malfoy
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Sonny Dykes took TCU too. He’d probably be better
Fair point. But the question all the “lame hire” gang can’t ever answer is who was the better alternative? There was no Saban equivalent “guaranteed hire” out there. If you can’t get that, then how much better can you do than a guy fresh off a title game who developed a ton of NFL talent.
Look at who the other blue bloods had to hire most recently. Michigan promotes an OC, OU hires a DC, Texas hired an OC with a risky personal life, Ohio State promoted their OC. USC had arguably the only home run hire and he is close to being fired already.
The only automatic slam dunk hire available in the universe was Kirby Smart and he isn’t going anywhere. We could have easily landed Bama alum Dabo with his 2 nattys and 9 ACC titles but the same people would have bashed that hire even more.
This post was edited on 5/23/25 at 10:18 am
Posted on 5/23/25 at 8:57 am to ehidal1
That just means that all things are relative. Kirby Smarts football program is a step down, and it's a step down for Ohio State, Michigan,The Shorthorns, and anyone else, it's just a step down.
I see ALABAMA's program on schedule, on time, with talent, coaching, and NIL money. All the things that will make a modern-day college football fans hair continue to hurt. And all we got to do is just keep being ourselves.
I see ALABAMA's program on schedule, on time, with talent, coaching, and NIL money. All the things that will make a modern-day college football fans hair continue to hurt. And all we got to do is just keep being ourselves.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:12 am to Darindawg
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Deboer/Bama thread
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LSU Patrick
Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:42 am to paperwasp
The Decline Isn't Real!
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Posted on 5/23/25 at 11:42 am to Smokeyone
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That’s the difference. Deboar coached non scholarship DIII for the overwhelming majority of his career. Then an OC for a season or 2 the a head coach for a season or two. He doesn’t have the knowledge or the connections to build a staff or recruit players. He needs a general manager to do everything but the stuff his staff (picked by the GM) does.
Everyone is having to hire a "GM" to handle the financial side of the NIL deals. Coaches simply do not have the time to do that and coach football. This position isn't unique to DeBoer's staff, you do realize that, don't you?
Posted on 5/23/25 at 5:02 pm to NWLA_Bama
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Everyone is having to hire a "GM" to handle the financial side of the NIL deals. Coaches simply do not have the time to do that and coach football
I’m talking authentic GM hiring staff, handling NIL, setting up recruiting. Deboar just doesn’t have the experience nor the connections to build a staff in the south or recruit here.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 5:22 pm to LSU Patrick
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The Decline Isn't Real!
Big Al had to register as a sex offender after what Alabama did to LSU in Tiger Stadium last November.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 5:24 pm to Smokeyone
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handling NIL
Tell me what coaches have the most experience handling NIL?
Alabama is going to beat Tennessee by 3 touchdowns this October.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 7:15 pm to Darindawg
I just saw where CBS did a ranking of the top coaches.
1. Kirby
2. Ryan Day
3. Dabo
4. Sark
5. Lanning
6. Freemqn
7. Franklin
8. Kelly
9. DeBoer
I have no issues with this ranking. I actually think it's pretty spot on.
But I do wonder if CBS is aware that DeBoer is 7-0 against the 8 coaches ranked above him?!?
1. Kirby
2. Ryan Day
3. Dabo
4. Sark
5. Lanning
6. Freemqn
7. Franklin
8. Kelly
9. DeBoer
I have no issues with this ranking. I actually think it's pretty spot on.
But I do wonder if CBS is aware that DeBoer is 7-0 against the 8 coaches ranked above him?!?
Posted on 5/23/25 at 7:19 pm to dawgfacedmutt
Les miles first year he went to Atlanta. Lost to red hot Uga with dj shockley
Played 12 consecutive weeks due to Katrina.
I hate him for staying so long but gotta give that props
Played 12 consecutive weeks due to Katrina.
I hate him for staying so long but gotta give that props
This post was edited on 5/23/25 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 5/23/25 at 8:31 pm to captdalton
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Tell me what coaches have the most experience handling NIL?
So just gloss over the 2 aspects of coaching that coaches are expected to to to go after the thing that is creating GMs in college….. I like it.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 8:44 pm to Darindawg
Clearly those guys inherited comparable programs to what DeBoer inherited.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 8:54 pm to ehidal1
Yea you’re right. All American receiver goes to Texas for a Lambo, All American Downs goes to Ohio State for a Ferrari, All American Center goes to the buckeyes too.
A freshman receiver, 14 new starters was the best program Bama has ever had.
Stfu…
A freshman receiver, 14 new starters was the best program Bama has ever had.
Stfu…
Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:25 pm to Darindawg
Can't compare Saban to Deboer 1st season as Deboer was working with 4 straight previous classes ranked either 1st or 2nd while Saban probably didn't have a top 25 class in the previous 4 years. Smart and Swinney are the same. Neither had anything close to 4 straight previous years of top 1 or top 2 ranked classes. Smart didn't have to rebuild too much.
That is a massive thing you're neglecting to mention.
That is a massive thing you're neglecting to mention.
This post was edited on 5/23/25 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:27 pm to captdalton
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Too much logic, too little raw emotion, will be downvoted to oblivion.
It isn't logic. What Saban handed to him was gold that Swinney and Smart didn't receive.
Can't compare Saban to Deboer 1st season as Deboer was working with 4 straight previous classes ranked either 1st or 2nd while Saban probably didn't have a top 25 class in the previous 4 years. Smart and Swinney are the same. Neither had anything close to 4 straight previous years of top 1 or top 2 ranked classes. Smart didn't have to rebuild too much.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:33 pm to MillerLiteTime
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We could have easily landed Bama alum Dabo with his 2 nattys and 9 ACC titles but the same people would have bashed that hire even more.
No you couldn't have easily landed Dabo, because if you could've, you would've. Zero doubt he was offered the job at Bama. He coaches at Clemson today. So put 2 and 2 together, then that means he rejected the job.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:34 pm to Saunson69
Saban was the first bama coach to lose to the Natty AUTIGERS2010.
This post was edited on 5/23/25 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 5/23/25 at 10:13 pm to Saunson69
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No you couldn't have easily landed Dabo, because if you could've, you would've. Zero doubt he was offered the job at Bama. He coaches at Clemson today. So put 2 and 2 together, then that means he rejected the job.
This might be the most illogical paragraph I have ever read.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 10:16 pm to Darindawg
It’s literally a decline. He inherited a juggernaut of a program.
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