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re: Can Only 1 Mississippi School Dominate at a Time?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:36 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:36 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Come on, your forgetting their holy grail that is Taledega. 
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:37 pm to Henry Jones Jr
New Orleans is cool but c'mon have you seen the rest of the state of Louisiana? It's fatter and poorer than Mississippi. Alabama is just a giant shithole as well. The people from Alabama think it's literally got anything in the world you could want
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:41 pm to Jma313
well said.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:46 pm to undecided
Look to LA and AR for what MS should have done. If ever a state needed one major SEC it is MS. FL only has 1 SEC school. There is not enough talent in MS to feed two SEC schools. Too late now. Our redeeming grace is the Jucos in MS can offset the lack of HS talent.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:47 pm to undecided
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:54 pm to Jma313
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The people from Alabama think it's literally got anything in the world you could want
That's just when we compare ourselves to Mississippi.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:57 pm to Whereisomaha
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The one time we were both successful, state had one of the biggest cheaters in college football history as their coach, while OM had an elite coach who was handicapped by one of the worst NCAA punishments ever dished out
Oh Holy frick that's RICH! Y'all had Billy "Birddog" Brewer. How the frick can you accuse ANY other coach of cheating?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 3:57 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:I'm not one to get into pissing matches about states, but Mobile is well down the list of locals within the state to champion.
They have Mobile. That's it.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:03 pm to undecided
Yes, they do. There are four states in the SEC that can realistically support multiple elite schools at once: Alabama, Georgia, Florida and Texas. Of them, only one actually has multiple SEC schools, and for the past 15 years, they've never been elite at the same time for more than one-year flashes in the pan (2005, 2010, for instance). Florida and Texas support multiple strong BCS programs, but they're also the outliers in the SEC by a huge margin, boasting enormous population and financial advantages over most of the other schools.
And if you look at the remaining states -- Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina -- you'll see that Mississippi and Tennessee are the only two that have multiple SEC schools in them. Neither state has had both schools be competitive at the same time. Branching out a little further, those two, South Carolina, and Kentucky have multiple BCS programs, but only one of the four states that do (SC) has had any amount of sustained success for those multiple BCS schools at once, and that success is mostly supported by out-of-state recruiting... incidentally, in another of the SEC's larger states (Georgia), and another state with a big population, good growth, and financial resources (North Carolina).
Basically, Mississippi is one of four states in the SEC (South Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky being the others) that has to support multiple BCS teams without the large population and financial base needed to do so. When these states have produced contenders (basically only Tennessee and, more recently, South Carolina), it's been due to strong out-of-state recruiting to supplement in-state recruiting. So yes, they more or less "cancel each other out," and it'll take one of the schools going out-of-state and poaching recruits for them both to be successful, something that neither of them is really incentivized to do (why not just dominate Mississippi as the core, pick up a few good recruits out-of-state, and keep the rival down?).
tl;dr: yes they do
And if you look at the remaining states -- Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina -- you'll see that Mississippi and Tennessee are the only two that have multiple SEC schools in them. Neither state has had both schools be competitive at the same time. Branching out a little further, those two, South Carolina, and Kentucky have multiple BCS programs, but only one of the four states that do (SC) has had any amount of sustained success for those multiple BCS schools at once, and that success is mostly supported by out-of-state recruiting... incidentally, in another of the SEC's larger states (Georgia), and another state with a big population, good growth, and financial resources (North Carolina).
Basically, Mississippi is one of four states in the SEC (South Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky being the others) that has to support multiple BCS teams without the large population and financial base needed to do so. When these states have produced contenders (basically only Tennessee and, more recently, South Carolina), it's been due to strong out-of-state recruiting to supplement in-state recruiting. So yes, they more or less "cancel each other out," and it'll take one of the schools going out-of-state and poaching recruits for them both to be successful, something that neither of them is really incentivized to do (why not just dominate Mississippi as the core, pick up a few good recruits out-of-state, and keep the rival down?).
tl;dr: yes they do
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:03 pm to DaBama
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The people from Alabama think it's literally got anything in the world you could want
That's just when we compare ourselves to Mississippi.
This is the correct answer. This also allows us to draw students and recruits from Georgia, Florida, and Mississippi. Auburn is ideally situated between Atlanta and Birmingham
It could hurt the Mississippi schools that they are sandwiched between states with higher tier SEC schools while Tennessee, which has always had to recruit Georgia, South Carolina, and nationally to be successful offers little talent.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:10 pm to lsutothetop
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lsutothetop
Really good post
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There are four states in the SEC that can realistically support multiple elite schools at once: Alabama, Georgia, Florida and Texas. Of them, only one actually has multiple SEC schools, and for the past 15 years, they've never been elite at the same time for more than one-year flashes in the pan (2005, 2010, for instance).
Auburn and Alabama have rarely had successful coaches at the same time i.e Dye/Perkins, Tubberville/Mike 3. Im excited to see how Malzahn performs in the shadow of Saban as this may be our chance to put this theory to the test.
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Basically, Mississippi is one of four states in the SEC (South Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky being the others) that has to support multiple BCS teams without the large population and financial base needed to do so. When these states have produced contenders (basically only Tennessee and, more recently, South Carolina), it's been due to strong out-of-state recruiting to supplement in-state recruiting. So yes, they more or less "cancel each other out," and it'll take one of the schools going out-of-state and poaching recruits for them both to be successful, something that neither of them is really incentivized to do (why not just dominate Mississippi as the core, pick up a few good recruits out-of-state, and keep the rival down?).
So the question becomes, how badly do the Mississippi schools want to compete on a national level
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:12 pm to undecided
Dominate?
Mississippi?
S'plain yoself, fool.
Mississippi?
S'plain yoself, fool.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:14 pm to Ptolemy's
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Oh Holy frick that's RICH! Y'all had Billy "Birddog" Brewer. How the frick can you accuse ANY other coach of cheating?
What does Billy have to do with Jackie?
What I said...
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while OM had an elite coach who was handicapped by one of the worst NCAA punishments ever dished out
Tubs was handicapped because of Brewer. The only explanation for your stupid post was you assumed I meant Brewer was the elite coach, which is stupid in it self
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:14 pm to undecided
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:15 pm to Jma313
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It's not like Alabama or Louisiana are any better than Mississippi.
Louisiana is better than Mississippi.
We have managed to build successful cities where people actually want to live and visit. And we have provided the country with unique cultural contributions.
Alabama and Mississippi are a push. Ppl not from there tend to avoid both states whenever possible.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:17 pm to Ptolemy's
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Oh Holy frick that's RICH! Y'all had Billy "Birddog" Brewer. How the frick can you accuse ANY other coach of cheating?
Perhaps it's because Brewer didn't leave 3 different programs on crippling probation.
But those were all coincidence weren't they? That NCAA lawsuit is gonna come through any day now...
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:17 pm to white beans
AL and especially LA have successful port cities. MS doesnt. That and the MS Delta are the differences. You didnt "build" attractive cities, God simply gave you a better location. The MS sound is why MS has less people and money.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:20 pm to weedGOKU666
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Mobile fricking sucks dick and I would honestly rather be in Jackson
Frick that. Mobile is close to the Gulf for starters and HS talent is legit. Bama, Aubie, and LSU recruit the hell out of Mobile.
Jackie had a plan at State. He was all over the Houston, TX scene. If the Sip schools ever got into recruiting H-town, they could really up the talent level.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:22 pm to Whereisomaha
I gotcha.
That's the reason that every one of your population centers have failed, it has nothing to do with the people inhabiting the state.
That's the reason that every one of your population centers have failed, it has nothing to do with the people inhabiting the state.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 4:29 pm to undecided
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So the question becomes, how badly do the Mississippi schools want to compete on a national level
I should have phrased that last part better. They don't have either the resources or the willingness to invest them at present both to lock down the state of Mississippi and to bring in the out-of-state talent they would need to compete nationally alongside the MS talent. It's kinda like how Louisiana has enough talent to keep LSU strong, but how we supplement with Texas and some FL/GA talent to stay with college football's elite. A Mississippi school would need to do the same -- lock down MS and pull from hot spots nearby (Memphis, Birmingham, and a couple of guys from TX/FL/GA). They don't have the resources or willingness to do both. So the choice becomes de-emphasizing Mississippi, and letting the rival get stronger by letting them pick up the leftovers, or de-emphasizing out-of-state, and not getting the talent needed to put them over the top. (ETA: And of course you're not going to pick the route that endangers your core recruiting ground.)
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 4:31 pm
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