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re: Can lsu fans tell me what’s so bad About their basketball coach?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:08 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:08 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
They were 12-1 after beating arkansas. Could have been 13-0 if not for a sketchy call at the end of the Kansas St game. Went to Lexington and nearly beat UK. They fell off a cliff and were totally uncompetitive for 5 games losing all of them by 11+ points.
Not sure what happened but there is no way they should have been 2-16 in league play based on what we saw in the first 14 games of the season.
Don’t necessarily hate the guy, I question his ability to make adjustments and recruit. His track record at Murray state suggests be should improve year to year, but we shall see
Not sure what happened but there is no way they should have been 2-16 in league play based on what we saw in the first 14 games of the season.
Don’t necessarily hate the guy, I question his ability to make adjustments and recruit. His track record at Murray state suggests be should improve year to year, but we shall see
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Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:11 am to CatfishJohn
quote:It's been over 12 mos. since the NOI was released and the ncaa still hasn't laid down their ruling. WTH? That could definitely be a huge roadblock in trying to get the talent needed to build back the roster.
Lack of talent is the worst thing, and in todays world, that’s on him for not making more moves by now. Brian Kelly pieced together an SEC West winning team from a roster of 38 scholarship players.
Not saying he needs to be that great, it’s a really tough situation, but we weren’t competitive with other shitty teams.
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I actually think he’s a good coach. He’s just not a rebuild artist that we thought he could be. That takes a particular type of coach. Still giving him year 2 to make improvements but recruiting hasn’t been great.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:21 am to CatfishJohn
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Brian Kelly pieced together an SEC West winning team from a roster of 38 scholarship players.
It's A LOT easier to recruit elite players to come to LSU to play football than it is to come to LSU to play basketball. Comparing McMahon to Kelly is not fair.
In Wade's first year, he signed 4 transfers and 4 high school recruits. Of those 8, only 2 contributed at all. And he only got Waters after John Thompson was fired at Georgetown. Without Waters, that first team of his is BAD, and Wade wasn't entering a program facing NCAA sanctions and building an entire roster from scratch
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 11:23 am
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:29 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
No one hates him personally and if they do they’re a POS. He seems to be a really nice guy and more personable when meeting fans than Wade was (Wade is awkward as hell). However this year he was a failure in absolutely everything else. Bad rotations, no adjustments, bad recruiting, bad job at getting the students/community interested in coming to basketball games etc. Unless he pulls a Jerome Tang in the portal this year we’re fricked IMO.
Also, something HAD to have gone down in the locker room that he didn’t manage well. There’s absolutely no way that this team goes from within one freak play of beating Kansas State and UK at Rupp as well as beating Arkansas to getting blown out by a coachless Ole Miss team. There was absolutely no effort from the team down the stretch and he didn’t seem to hold them accountable for it.
Also, something HAD to have gone down in the locker room that he didn’t manage well. There’s absolutely no way that this team goes from within one freak play of beating Kansas State and UK at Rupp as well as beating Arkansas to getting blown out by a coachless Ole Miss team. There was absolutely no effort from the team down the stretch and he didn’t seem to hold them accountable for it.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 11:36 am
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:44 am to Scoob
This btch does NOT speak for the majority of LSU fans, the AD u speak of Fired - he suspended WW first
Admin was New and did not know what to do
Kansas said fu and won the NCAA Championship
Scoobey doo doo speak for yourself don’t paint us with your puss brush.
McBland shows no sign of improvement, no energy, no fire, and Especially no recruiting chops. His claim to fame is Ja M
Kinda like Jimbo- Jameis
Curly H - Brett Farve
Phil J - Kobe,Shaq Michael J, Scotty P
We like him just don’t see a future.
Admin was New and did not know what to do
Kansas said fu and won the NCAA Championship
Scoobey doo doo speak for yourself don’t paint us with your puss brush.
McBland shows no sign of improvement, no energy, no fire, and Especially no recruiting chops. His claim to fame is Ja M
Kinda like Jimbo- Jameis
Curly H - Brett Farve
Phil J - Kobe,Shaq Michael J, Scotty P
We like him just don’t see a future.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:02 pm to RT1941
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It's been over 12 mos. since the NOI was released and the ncaa still hasn't laid down their ruling. WTH? That could definitely be a huge roadblock in trying to get the talent needed to build back the roster.
Exactly.
NCAA needs to hurry up and die.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:10 pm to lsudave1
I'm gonna guess that none of us on the outside understood how bad the situation is, overall. People see that Wade had guys coming in, had the team in the NCAA every year, with basically different teams each year.
They think McMahon should have been able to bring in a bunch of guys this year, made the NIT at least. "Hell, NIL is legal now, just do what Wade did"...
Someone posted this as an insult, but I suspect it's pretty telling:
Ok; coaches are aware, in general terms, of other school's (coach's) recruiting pipelines, especially winning schools.
Coaches being interviewed/offered the job, if they and their people are worth their salt, get a close look at what they are being offered. McMahon was regarded well at Murray St, he knew what he was doing.
He came, listened to the offer and looked things over, and said "I'm going to need a long contract to take this job". That's a guy at a mid-major, being offered a P5 program that was showing success... that should set off some red flags. You understand some need of insurance if you suspect NCAA trouble maybe, but decent basketball teams can be fixed in a year or two. Probation, maybe 4.
Usually, a P5 can have a base of guys they can get, that might make them competitive at the mid-major level, without any shady shite. They then have to go out and grab the 2-3 'stars' that elevate the program to NCAA levels, and that's where potential troubles lay.
I suspect LSU's troubles are way worse; I think the pipeline is gone. The recruiting ties are completely cut, and LSU for now has to compete hard just to get bench players. There is no base.
I don't know if Wade burned those bridges, or saw the same thing and did what he did just to claw through a no-win situation... remember the player in question that got all this shite started? Javonte Smart? He's a Baton Rouge guy, and the team was already a Tourney team. You'd think it wouldn't be hard to get him to come, he wasn't THAT good. He was a starter, but not some draft prospect (maybe in his own mind he was).
Whatever it is, McMahon saw the system here is broken, and said "I need time, YEARS to fix it".
They think McMahon should have been able to bring in a bunch of guys this year, made the NIT at least. "Hell, NIL is legal now, just do what Wade did"...
Someone posted this as an insult, but I suspect it's pretty telling:
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Lets start with the idea that LSU thought it was smart to give him a 7 year contract
Ok; coaches are aware, in general terms, of other school's (coach's) recruiting pipelines, especially winning schools.
Coaches being interviewed/offered the job, if they and their people are worth their salt, get a close look at what they are being offered. McMahon was regarded well at Murray St, he knew what he was doing.
He came, listened to the offer and looked things over, and said "I'm going to need a long contract to take this job". That's a guy at a mid-major, being offered a P5 program that was showing success... that should set off some red flags. You understand some need of insurance if you suspect NCAA trouble maybe, but decent basketball teams can be fixed in a year or two. Probation, maybe 4.
Usually, a P5 can have a base of guys they can get, that might make them competitive at the mid-major level, without any shady shite. They then have to go out and grab the 2-3 'stars' that elevate the program to NCAA levels, and that's where potential troubles lay.
I suspect LSU's troubles are way worse; I think the pipeline is gone. The recruiting ties are completely cut, and LSU for now has to compete hard just to get bench players. There is no base.
I don't know if Wade burned those bridges, or saw the same thing and did what he did just to claw through a no-win situation... remember the player in question that got all this shite started? Javonte Smart? He's a Baton Rouge guy, and the team was already a Tourney team. You'd think it wouldn't be hard to get him to come, he wasn't THAT good. He was a starter, but not some draft prospect (maybe in his own mind he was).
Whatever it is, McMahon saw the system here is broken, and said "I need time, YEARS to fix it".
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:53 pm to Scoob
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He's a Baton Rouge guy, and the team was already a Tourney team. You'd think it wouldn't be hard to get him to come, he wasn't THAT good. He was a starter, but not some draft prospect (maybe in his own mind he was).
He was the #35 overall player in his class. I don't care where he's from, it's not unusual for players of his caliber in high school to want a handout for an LOI, especially in basketball with all the crooked shite that has been going on for decades when it comes to basketball recruiting. That and going to LSU not resonating the same way it may in other sports. LSU basketball isn't the brand name the football program is, not even close, and there are plenty of football recruits who need more than just an offer from their hometown team.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 3/23/23 at 3:00 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Many of them aren't LSU "fans"
It's an anonymous message board with many trolls & alters.
Are we concerned? Sure
But he needs at least 3 years to get this thing HIS way.
It's an anonymous message board with many trolls & alters.
Are we concerned? Sure
But he needs at least 3 years to get this thing HIS way.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 6:25 pm to Sissidog02
quote:What are you squawking about?
This btch does NOT speak for the majority of LSU fans, the AD u speak of Fired - he suspended WW first
Admin was New and did not know what to do
Kansas said fu and won the NCAA Championship
Scoobey doo doo speak for yourself don’t paint us with your puss brush.
McBland shows no sign of improvement, no energy, no fire, and Especially no recruiting chops. His claim to fame is Ja M
Kinda like Jimbo- Jameis
Curly H - Brett Farve
Phil J - Kobe,Shaq Michael J, Scotty P
We like him just don’t see a future.
No, I don't speak for "us"; and neither do you. I speak for me.
quote:He was an experienced AD in the SEC when shite hit the fan. He witnessed everything go down from that perspective, and when he took the LSU job he got filled in on more details about his staff.
Admin was New and did not know what to do
I don't care what line of work you're in, you do NOT retain someone who lawyers up and refuses to speak to the Board, when you come in and take over.
quote:Based on one season?
McBland shows no sign of improvement, no energy, no fire, and Especially no recruiting chops
quote:Ok, and let's not forget KJ Williams, who followed him from Murray, was the leading scorer and rebounder, and an All SEC player.
His claim to fame is Ja M
Posted on 3/23/23 at 7:06 pm to Scoob
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Whatever it is, McMahon saw the system here is broken, and said "I need time, YEARS to fix it".
Will Wade has this broken system in the NCAA tournament every season and was winning SEC regular season titles and was a tip in away from a SECT title. He had coming in for the 2022-23 season what would have been his strongest team (on paper).
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I don't care what line of work you're in, you do NOT retain someone who lawyers up and refuses to speak to the Board, when you come in and take over.
What if that guy is the best at his job that your company had had in the past 35 years? This is a prime example of Woodward having too much of an ego to work with Wade. Woodward thought he could go hire a great coach to come in and do better than Will Wade and what Woodward hired has been an absolute bust up to this point. Matt McMahon did not build Murray State from nothing. He was a product of their prior good coaches that set them up to be a good mid major program.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 7:47 pm to Choupique19
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This is a prime example of Woodward having too much of an ego to work with Wade. Woodward thought he could go hire a great coach to come in and do better than Will Wade and what Woodward hired has been an absolute bust up to this point
This is all a bunch of nonsense created by people on Tiger rant who can’t see the forest for the trees
Posted on 3/23/23 at 7:59 pm to lsufball19
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This is all a bunch of nonsense created by people on Tiger rant who can’t see the forest for the trees
What is the forest? Woodward deciding to give our program the death penalty so that the NCAA wouldn’t have to? If the NCAA had all this evidence of wrong doing, how come we are here, 4 years later, and the NCAA still haven’t put any sanctions on Will Wade?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 10:10 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I don’t believe MM does anything well. He is holding a bucket of water that has a gaping hole in it.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:43 pm to Choupique19
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I don't care what line of work you're in, you do NOT retain someone who lawyers up and refuses to speak to the Board, when you come in and take over.
What if that guy is the best at his job that your company had had in the past 35 years?
Wade had never coached in the second weekend at LSU. He was suspended the only year his team made it that far.
quote:SEC success is not the same as NCAA success.
Will Wade has this broken system in the NCAA tournament every season and was winning SEC regular season titles and was a tip in away from a SECT title. He had coming in for the 2022-23 season what would have been his strongest team (on paper).
Nobody cares that Arkansas had a losing record in the SEC (and lost a game to LSU
). That's because they made the Sweet 16 again. Now, they did get their asses whipped today, and that stings, but that was also "house money" at this point. And you know what, if I made a Way Too Early 2024 bracket right now, I'm putting Arkansas into the NCAA and the Sweet 16. Oh, and no, they're not going to win the SEC.
Wade got us in, he didn't make any runs. People are angry about the court being named for Dale Brown, but he got 2 Final Fours and a few Elite Eights. He also got ran off for NCAA trouble, which turned out to be a bunch of bullshite. Lester Earl was more of a violation for Kansas, but everyone still loved them.
John Brady got us to a Final Four, and got fired only a couple seasons later, when his stud player was hurt for the year.
I'm not going to say McMahon has had a great start, because this year was painful until it became numbingly bad. But it was ONE season, expected to be bad, and life will go on. LSU is NOT GOING TO REHIRE WADE, so go ahead and forget that daydream. You can either choose to support LSU basketball, or you can keep throwing a tantrum about what happened.
The tantrum will not accomplish anything. You're not going to force a change. LSU baseball grew as big as it is, because it elevated during a down time in basketball and football. Well, baseball is now #1 and looking strong, and the football team just won the West and looks promising in the future. If basketball attendance dwindles, LSU will simply divert more attention and resources to the successful, popular programs. You do understand this, correct?
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:18 am to dbeck
Congrads on the big Win tonight . 
Posted on 3/24/23 at 7:50 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Are you serious or trolling? Because the margins of defeat against teams that didn’t suck got larger and larger
Lol what? You’re really bad at math or highly unaware of the fact your average margin of loss went down almost an entire 10 points from Jan to Feb, then down another 2-3 from Feb to March. Two conference wins in the last six games compared to one in the first twelve highlighted by an 11 game losing streak. You’re smoking crack if you think LSU didn’t improve down the stench, they even started covering spreads. So no I’m not trolling to answer your stupid question
Posted on 3/24/23 at 7:55 am to Scoob
I love the infighting over an absolutely mediocre coach in Wade. 
Scoob is the only here that appears to have a clue.
Scoob is the only here that appears to have a clue.
Posted on 3/24/23 at 8:18 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
He took over a dumpster fire. Just needs time. Like Payne AT UL
Posted on 3/24/23 at 12:11 pm to kywildcatfanone
It's like trying to reason with an angry emotional woman at times
Wade was "successful" because of his players. Wade was busted doing dirty recruiting, which explained those players.
McMahon, as someone mentioned, didn't build Murray State, but he did maintain it. So why couldn't he maintain LSU? Because none of Wade's guys, or incoming recruits, were about LSU. They were in for the cash grabs facilitated by Wade, and apparently even our NIL potential wasn't enough to keep them around.
That's why I said the system was broken.
Now, I could see some wailing justified if he was truly a great coach/program runner, but he was merely "good". That SEC title people keep speaking of, he didn't maintain that level. Oats had already passed him by. Wade was going to have LSU at an Auburn/Arkansas regular season level, 20 wins or so. He never showed he could lead the team deep in the NCAA tourney, I don't think it was going to happen.
Going back to getting rid of Wade= yes, it had to be done, once he lawyered up and did what he did. Was it due to Alleva and F King being the guys he faced, quite possibly. But those actions sealed his dismissal, it was merely a matter of when.
Wade was "successful" because of his players. Wade was busted doing dirty recruiting, which explained those players.
McMahon, as someone mentioned, didn't build Murray State, but he did maintain it. So why couldn't he maintain LSU? Because none of Wade's guys, or incoming recruits, were about LSU. They were in for the cash grabs facilitated by Wade, and apparently even our NIL potential wasn't enough to keep them around.
That's why I said the system was broken.
Now, I could see some wailing justified if he was truly a great coach/program runner, but he was merely "good". That SEC title people keep speaking of, he didn't maintain that level. Oats had already passed him by. Wade was going to have LSU at an Auburn/Arkansas regular season level, 20 wins or so. He never showed he could lead the team deep in the NCAA tourney, I don't think it was going to happen.
Going back to getting rid of Wade= yes, it had to be done, once he lawyered up and did what he did. Was it due to Alleva and F King being the guys he faced, quite possibly. But those actions sealed his dismissal, it was merely a matter of when.
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