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re: Can anyone make a rational argument that Auburn should stay in the west?
Posted on 6/1/17 at 11:03 am to WestCoastAg
Posted on 6/1/17 at 11:03 am to WestCoastAg
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what are you talking about?
Look at the comments on the thread about JJ discussing the east move. A whole lot of "pussies" and "running from bama?"
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Posted on 6/1/17 at 11:04 am to WestCoastAg
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I haven't seen a well thought out argument against auburn moving to the east and whole lot of "hurr durr pussies" and "hurr durr frick auburn".
The main argument is that it will upset the competitive balance of having 3 Big Six schools in each division. Further, as currently proposed, it would end the Iron Bowl annually or TSIO annually.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 11:07 am to StopRobot
The very easy solution is moving to a nine game schedule. Auburn and Alabama could continue to play the iron bowl. The big 6 argument seems so forced. Any other of the sec schools have just as good a shot at winning a title, regardless of division. They have money, talent, and huge fan bases.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 11:58 am to AeroSpaceTiger
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The very easy solution is moving to a nine game schedule.
Not a solution for 4 teams in the East without the guarantee of 2 major OOC games. You need every vote you can get because Vandy, MSU, Kentucky, etc. aren't going to vote for less cupcake games. They want to make a bowl more often, not less.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:03 pm to AeroSpaceTiger
Remember when everyone gave LSU fans shite over the whole Florida permanent rival thing? Good times
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:04 pm to AeroSpaceTiger
quote:and a whole lot of reasonable reasons why auburn cant just up and leave and expect nothing to change
A whole lot of "pussies" and "running from bama?"
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:06 pm to AeroSpaceTiger
Mississippi State and Auburn have played 90 times. There's that.....
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:07 pm to hg
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Remember when everyone gave LSU fans shite over the whole Florida permanent rival thing? Good times
At least LSU fans were honest about their reasons for wanting to drop Florida. They made it quite clear they believed it was unfair as Florida was the toughest opponent from the East and LSU was at a scheduling disadvantage.
Auburn just won't admit that playing Bama every year is the main reason they want to move.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:11 pm to 14&Counting
Yea this move by Auburn comes off that way big time. Why are they just now bringing this up?
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:15 pm to Farmer1906
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Can anyone make a rational argument that Auburn should stay in the west? by Farmer1906
Why not just make Bama play Aub & UT every year. Everyone else can rotate. That way the west and east can play more often with the exception of the schools with perm rivals.
Show us a scheduling spreadsheet with that making it fair for ALL 14 schools.....& NONE of these will be played as non-conf. games.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:18 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
& the ACC has schools in states going North to South. SEC goes East to West.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:18 pm to Diamondawg
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Mississippi State and Auburn have played 90 times. There's that.....
We have some ties, but there isn't much there IMO. Nothing against Mississippi State, but right now both LSU and Arkansas have more going on in their situation with Auburn than MSU does. I suspect it's the same for MSU.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:22 pm to 14&Counting
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Auburn just won't admit that playing Bama every year is the main reason they want to move.
Oh brother
We've tried to explain how we want to keep the IB. Why the hell would any Auburn fan want to give up the Iron Bowl? It is a competitive, instate rivalry. It's insane. And if we go to the east and make a 9 game schedule, we will keep bama and even have the opportunity to play them twice. There's no logic in the "hurr durr Auburn scared". I guess some people are just ignorant 
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:22 pm to hg
Auburn still wants to play Alabama. That this puts the UA-UT game in jeopardy is not really of Auburn's direct concern.
Auburn fans have wanted the move explicitly since the addition of A&M and Mizzou made it so we never play UF and to a lesser degree UT anymore. Previous to the 14 team SEC this was less of a problem as we played everyone in the conference in a reasonable amount of time. However there were still discussions of Auburn belonging in the east previous to the expansion.
Auburn won't move to the east, realistically. This is just posturing to force a larger discussion about scheduling that Auburn feels they get the short end of the stick on. When changes come, and they will eventually for some reason or another, we want to already have our argument out there. So when we move to pods, or expand to 16, or Ole Miss gets the death penalty it's already in everyone's mind that AU wants to play UF again on a regular basis.
OR, Dye and JJ are just rustling the tide. No different than Saban's UT is our biggest rival stuff.
Auburn fans have wanted the move explicitly since the addition of A&M and Mizzou made it so we never play UF and to a lesser degree UT anymore. Previous to the 14 team SEC this was less of a problem as we played everyone in the conference in a reasonable amount of time. However there were still discussions of Auburn belonging in the east previous to the expansion.
Auburn won't move to the east, realistically. This is just posturing to force a larger discussion about scheduling that Auburn feels they get the short end of the stick on. When changes come, and they will eventually for some reason or another, we want to already have our argument out there. So when we move to pods, or expand to 16, or Ole Miss gets the death penalty it's already in everyone's mind that AU wants to play UF again on a regular basis.
OR, Dye and JJ are just rustling the tide. No different than Saban's UT is our biggest rival stuff.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:25 pm to hg
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Why are they just now bringing this up?
They been in the West for 25 years now...
All their so-called reasons are basically true but underlying them are all related to Saban. Saban has recruiting in state on total hammerlock. Further, he has been pillaging Florida and Georgia. The State of Alabama is Crimson and their hasn't been this amount separation between the programs since the heyday of Bryant. They have been pushed back into their little corner of the world. They view their future as in East. It's true they draw a lot of kids from Georgia and Florida and they seem to think this will improve attendance and help recruiting. Nevermind they have always recruited those states. More games from east schools may help attendance and they need badly it as their AD has struggled and isn't flush with cash like Bama. This boils down to separating further from Bama's shadow and continuing to forge their identity.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:40 pm to Cocotheape
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this is just posturing
Posturing for the SEC and ACC to adopt a 9-game conference schedule like the other three Power 5 conferences.
Auburn to the East, Mizzou to the West, each team with one game against a Power 5 OOC team at the beginning of the year....playoff committee happy and permanent rivalries left unchanged.
This post was edited on 6/1/17 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:44 pm to Rhino5
Again, Auburn isn't going to get to jump over the East and play it's non-divisional opponent in division and just demand that Alabama drops theirs to play Auburn instead.
They know that.
They know that.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:45 pm to Rhino5
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Posturing for the SEC and ACC to adopt a 9-game conference schedule like the other three Power 5 conferences.
Auburn to the East, Mizzou to the West, each team with one game against a Power 5 OOC team at the beginning of the year....playoff committee happy.
Playoff committee is already happy.
That proposal doesn't have enough votes, just based on self-interest.
Yes:
Auburn
LSU
No:
UGA
Alabama
Florida
Kentucky
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Missouri
Unsure, could go either way:
MSU (lean no)
Arky (lean no)
OM (lean no)
A&M (lean yes)
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:52 pm to WestCoastAg
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and a whole lot of reasonable reasons why auburn cant just up and leave and expect nothing to change
it is so cute how you Aggies defend Alabama at every turn.
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:52 pm to Crowknowsbest
OM, Arky, MSU, Mizzou, Tenn, Vandy have nothing to lose and would vote yes. Alabama would vote yes with a 9-game schedule w/AUand UT as permanents.
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